Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Bible_Highlighter said:
Hebrews 12:2 does not mean that we can imitate every act of Jesus
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Not every act of Jesus.

God assigns to each one up us our own unique list of works for us to do.

For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, ​
which God prepared in advance for us to do. Ephesians 2:10​

What we are to imitate about Jesus?
Is his walking in the filling of the Spirit, and to learn as much sound doctrinal teachings that we can pray for God to provide us.

Jesus answered, ​
“It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” Mat 4:4​
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Very few pastors have the dedication to study and teach often the Scriptures in detail and insight.​
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grace and peace ............​
 
Magenta said:
You are talking about believers. Free will has to do with what the unbeliever is capable of. You miss the point entirely.

The free will position is that the flesh can do what Scripture says it cannot.
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How could you have really made a choice if you didnt have free will. It wouldn't have even been a choice if there wasn't free will?
What I said wasn't missing the point. Choices prove free will.
 
Cameron143 said:
Is every person in the world today doing evil continually? If not, it's not as bad as Noah's day.
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After the Restrainer is removed in the Rapture?.... and all Christians removed from earth?

All Hell is going to break loose.

The Antichrist can not be revealed openly until the Holy Spirit in all believers is removed.
 
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Gv12 said:
How could you have really made a choice if you didnt have free will. It wouldn't have even been a choice if there wasn't free will?
What I said wasn't missing the point. Choices prove free will.
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Choices do not prove free will. Man has volition but that does not prove it is free. That you say it does proves
you conflate having a choice with having a will that is free even against a plethora of Scriptures that say
otherwise. You have put a philosophical construct before the Truth explicitly articulated in Scripture.

Part of the problem is that people think that making choices equates to the will being free. They say such things as, if the will is not free, then people are puppets. This is a logical fallacy. Making mundane choices does not in any way address what the Bible teaches about man's will being enslaved to sin, blinded to the truth, unable to hear, incapable of submitting to God, a lover of darkness, refusing to come into the light, hearing the gospel as foolishness, unable to receive or comprehend the spiritual things of God, to which he is opposed and to Whom he is hostile toward while under the power and influence of the devil, as is the whole world, out of which believers have been called. Thinking your will is free simply because you can choose what colour of socks to wear or what to have for lunch, or whether to do the right or wrong things, or what book to choose out of the mountains of them available, has no bearing on the eternal fate of your soul, and mixing those things in with what the Bible teaches about the estate of fallen man is a distraction from the real issue.

This is the crux of the conversation, such as it is, for it is out of man's nature that he makes choices, and it is with the heart that one believes... the free will proponents essentially assert that the incurably wicked heart of the natural/unregenerated man is free to choose to believe that which he is not only opposed to, but that which he can neither receive/accept nor comprehend while in the flesh as are all before becoming indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God. They have the man with zero wisdom acting wise to do God's will when Scripture says that man cannot, that flesh cannot please God, that flesh serves the law of sin and brings forth fruit unto death, not life. And their idea of wisdom is that person choosing to believe what they hear as foolishness. They reject what Jesus said about it being impossible for a bad tree to bring forth good fruit... there are none good, no, not one! Even when asked who can be saved, Jesus said that with man it was impossible, and there are other places where we are explicitly told it is not by the will of the flesh or man but by God's will that any are saved. Some philosophers and philosophy books have said man has a will that is free and that is enough for many to parrot what they hear and throw over a slew of Scriptural truths. They ascribe to the natural man qualities, characteristics, and abilities possessed only by the spiritual man.
 
Genez said:
After the Restrainer is removed in the Rapture?.... and all Christians removed from earth?

All Hell is going to break loose.

The Antichrist can not be revealed openly until the Holy Spirit in all believers is removed.
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That's 1 view. And it hasn't happened. So it's not as bad as Noah's day. That was the claim.
 
Jackson129 said:
But those judgments in the book of revelations specifically say the world. Like all fresh water turns to blood causing all life in the water to die. What about 200 million riders from the black hole that hunt humans from one end of the earth to the other? The book a revelations does not say these things are only gonna happen in isreal the rest of the world is just fine. So who was the anti christ? Who was the false prophet? The man of sin must be revealed in order for tribulation to begin. There are written records going back to the babylonian captivity to back up the Bible. All be it scarce. Where are the written records from any civilization in 100 AD talking about the death of 50% of the human race? Or the sun going out or horse riders from the black hole? Or having to drink blood or all the wild life in the sea dying?
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For pitys sake man @Cameron143 is the LAST person on earth with whom you would consult on matters of eschatology.

He is by far the most Biblically illiterate individual on this board regarding such matters. Not to mention literally 100% wrong 100% of the time as regards eschatology. Dude is a hopeless case.

And DEFINITELY yes, the NEAR FUTURE pre-trib rapture, 7 year trib, millennial reign is absolutely boilerplate Biblical doctrine.

The alternative views are preposterous and effortlessly disproven.
 
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cv5 said:
For pitys sake man @Cameron143 is the LAST person on earth with whom you would consult on matters of eschatology.

He is by far the most Biblically illiterate individual on this board regarding such matters. Not to mention literally 100% wrong 100% of the time as regards eschatology. Dude is a hopeless case.

And DEFINITELY yes, the NEAR FUTURE pre-trib rapture, 7 year trib, millennial reign is absolutely boilerplate Biblical doctrine.

The alternative views are preposterous and effortlessly disproven.
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RF
 
HeIsHere said:
So many problems with TULIP, so much inconsistency when viewed in the light of scripture, the full picture, not just the supposed proof texts.
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Keep in mind that many Christians at the time of history when TULIP was formulated had been engulfed (as a norm) with terrible teachings from the Catholic Church.

So, when an alternative was devised (TULIP)? No one at that point had developed enough Biblical skills to know Bible doctrine well enough to see the problems with TULIP.

It became a preferred system for many after having lived under the horrible teachings of the RCC.

Luther was one who did a frontal assault on the fables of the RCC.
 
OLDBUTNEW said:
Bless the Pommies!
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with pomegranates, ha

Okdey dokey, here's a blessing for aliens, dont bee of the world but be in the world, and come back to cloud cuckoo land. 😁

And. A word of wisdom, when push comes to shove, you soon find out who the disciplined are and who isn't, your all right because you passed that test.
 
Here's a clue for you @Genez


Jeremiah 32:30

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30 “The people of Israel and Judah have done nothing but evil in my sight from their youth; indeed, the people of Israel have done nothing but arouse my anger with what their hands have made, declares the Lord.
 
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Jordon said:
if sin is not evil what is it then ?

Or have you forgot Already what you said, ?
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Can you show me anywhere where it says that Jesus died for the evils of the world?
Just one?
You can not.

Both sin and evil are bad.
But not in the same way.
Both are not sin.
Both are bad.

Sin is something you need to acknowledge thinking or doing, and confess for forgiveness. (1 John 1:9)

Evil requires one learning true doctrine to negate some false teaching.
Evil requires one change in one's wrong thinking.
That process is not like one confessing ones sins.
Evil requires having a change in one's wrong thinking that is contrary to Scripture.
That change in thinking when accepting correction is called "repentance."

There is a difference.
if you believed that Jesus is not God?
And, gave a slew of passages that only revealed him as a man?
That teaching is evil.

If you lusted for some woman in your heart?
That is sin.
You just admit your sin to God and receive forgiveness. (1 John 1:9)

Evil is not something to simply confess a sin about.
Evil requires that you first must learn sound doctrine to know what is to be thought correctly.
Evil requires submitting to corrective teaching, and then changing what you think = repentance.

I hope that helps....

Grace and peace

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Genez said:
Can you show me anywhere where it says that Jesus died for the evils of the world?
Just one?
You can not.

Both sin and evil are bad.
But not in the same way.
Both are not sin.
Both are bad.

Sin is something you need to acknowledge thinking or doing, and confess for forgiveness. (1 John 1:9)

Evil requires one learning true doctrine to negate some false teaching.
Evil requires one change in one's wrong thinking.
That process is not like one confessing ones sins.
Evil requires having a change in one's wrong thinking that is contrary to Scripture.
That change in thinking when accepting correction is called "repentance."

There is a difference.
if you believed that Jesus is not God?
And, gave a slew of passages that only revealed him as a man?
That teaching is evil.

If you lusted for some woman in your heart?
That is sin.
You just admit your sin to God and receive forgiveness. (1 John 1:9)

Evil is not something to simply confess a sin about.
Evil requires that you first must learn sound doctrine to know what is to be thought correctly.
Evil requires submitting to corrective teaching, and then changing what you think = repentance.

I hope that helps....

Grace and peace

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Jeremiah 32:30

New International Version



30 “The people of Israel and Judah have done nothing but evil in my sight from their youth; indeed, the people of Israel have done nothing but arouse my anger with what their hands have made, declares the Lord.
 
Genez said:
Can you show me anywhere where it says that Jesus died for the evils of the world?
Just one?
You can not.


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just did .....



Jeremiah 32:30

New International Version



30 “The people of Israel and Judah have done nothing but evil in my sight from their youth; indeed, the people of Israel have done nothing but arouse my anger with what their hands have made, declares the Lord.
 
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