Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Magenta]

The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians ch 2 v 14

 

[sawdust]

. Did you not say man can only make a choice by his will ? . You may as well be saying God left us his word in this world but with no will in his word. I fail to see how you can't recognise that

Don't blame a condition im cured from for your blatant error.
And don't try to make people look stupid like your buddy mr genez.

He's well and truly rubbed of on you

What I said, if you truly care to know, is that making a choice is a function of the will, like imagining or reasoning is a function of thinking. It was not a difficult concept to understand but you had to take it and turn it into something that had nothing to do with whatever you said.

I can't recognise what you are saying because it has nothing to do with what I said. So move on please and stop being rude by trying to tell me what my words mean. I know what I said, it is you who are failing to comprehend.

grace and peace.

 

[Jordon]

What I said, if you truly care to know, is that making a choice is a function of the will, like imagining or reasoning is a function of thinking. It was not a difficult concept to understand but you had to take it and turn it into something that had nothing to do with whatever you said.

I can't recognise what you are saying because it has nothing to do with what I said. So move on please and stop being rude by trying to tell me what my words mean. I know what I said, it is you who are failing to comprehend.

grace and peace.

your in no position to tell anyone to stop being rude, with the about if times you've been rude here.

And you tell me what am i suppose to think when you reject every scripture going for favour of your own will and encourage the rudest people going here to throw more inappropriate behaviour, And then you write man can only make a choice by his own will.

I hate it to say it but your a hypocrite

 

[Gv12]

All theses things are nice, but listen theres two wills in mankind, theres the will of your nature that lives in the flesh . And theres the will of our lord that lives in your seed if you've been saved.
Then you also have freedom of thought, and it's all cited in scripture

In the garden before mans seed had been corrupted what will did the seed have ? .seeing as it was created in Gods image. The seed, not the flesh not your freedom of thought but your seed, his breath of life. The one he removes and replaces with a new heart


When ever we see seeds in the bible it's always talking about the life, Jesus the creator of the heavens and the earth.

Through him all things where created. The seed of Adam was his life.

So when ever we talk about the life Jesus we also talk about his will.

And it always his will that will be done.

Theres only one credible answer for the whole thing the seed of man was created with his will to accept his light only , but your freedom of thought never.

End of story

This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13 Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. 14 The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life’s worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature. 15 But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.

Here the word "seed" is talking about the word of God. Letting God's word grow being put into practice and how certain things stop the seeds from growing and being able to produce a crop.

Reading the word and allowing it to take effect and change us spiritually. Storing treasures for ourselves in heaven.

2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

Mathew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

It is always good to talk to our fellow brothers and sisters in christ. Even if we dont agree. it hopefully leads us to draw closer to God and try and deepen our understanding then that is beneficial.

Proverbs 27:17
As iron sharpens iron,
so one person sharpens another

1 Thessalonians 5:11
Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.

Thanks for the conversation !

 

[Genez]

I don't have a crew! So I don't care what others have said. I'm asking you and as usual you come up empty. You can't even answer what arguably just might be the most fundamental question anyone could ask about the Christian Faith. It appears you flunked with shame Biblical Theology 101.

You got a gift, sir.
And, it is not a good one.

 

[Genez]

I don't need to show you anything.

When have you ever?
But, you make unprovable accusations plenty, though.

 

[Genez]

What's going on here? Are you guys entangling each other?

He always pulls empty accusations, that to the outsider, makes him look like he has something.
But, he never produces the evidence when asked for.

It is like what the fake news media does.

 

[Jordon]

This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13 Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. 14 The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life’s worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature. 15 But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.

Here the word "seed" is talking about the word of God. Letting God's word grow being put into practice and how certain things stop the seeds from growing and being able to produce a crop.

Reading the word and allowing it to take effect and change us spiritually. Storing treasures for ourselves in heaven.

2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

Mathew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

It is always good to talk to our fellow brothers and sisters in christ. Even if we dont agree. it hopefully leads us to draw closer to God and try and deepen our understanding then that is beneficial.

Proverbs 27:17
As iron sharpens iron,
so one person sharpens another

1 Thessalonians 5:11
Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.

Thanks for the conversation !

the word is the life, in the beginning was the word and the word was God, the most treasured scripture of all . The
gospel is the power to save and the seed that gives new life is his seed and his seed is also the word and his will, replacing his seed that never accepted the light.
Like all the others you don't answer a question that you make statements about .

Question, who's seed was it that never accepted the light, did you create the seed yourself

Whose will was in the seed, wasn't his his breath of life by any chance was it ?

Well It couldn't have been your will, could you switch your own life off.

No his will did by your freedom of thought not agreeing to his will that was in his seed. Then the will of your nature became corrupted because you never accepted the light. God gave you freedom of thought to accept his light, see where not robots are we.

Get it

No you won't.

 

[Genez]

the word is the life, in the beginning was the word and the word was God, the most treasured scripture of all . The
gospel is the power to save and the seed that gives new life is his seed and his seed is also the word and his will, replacing his seed that never accepted the light.
Like all the others you don't answer a question that you make statements about .

Question, who's seed was it that never accepted the light, did you create the seed yourself

Whose will was in the seed, wasn't his his breath of life by any chance was it ?

Well It couldn't have been your will, could you switch your own life off.

No his will did by your freedom of thought not agreeing to his will that was in his seed. Then the will of your nature became corrupted because you never accepted the light. God gave you freedom of thought to accept his light, see where not robots are we.

Get it

No you won't.

Bartender...
Please, give him another cup of coffee?

....... It's time to lock up.

 

[Jordon]

He always pulls empty accusations, that to the outsider, makes him look like he has something.
But, he never produces the evidence when asked for.

It is like what the fake news media does.

you'll be well at home with him just like you he's a Calvinist basher and just like you no doubt hes a troll hiding behind the word of God

 

[NightTwister]

Three Main Heresies of Oneness / “Jesus Only” / UPCI Teaching
I've noticed many who hold this unsound doctrine on this forum...

1. Denial of the Trinity – They reject the biblical view of one God in three eternal Persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) and teach Modalism — one Person appearing in different roles.
    Refuted by: Matthew 3:16–17 (KJV), John 1:1–2 (KJV), John 14:16 (KJV)
2. Baptismal Regeneration – They claim salvation and forgiveness come only through baptism “in Jesus’ name,” rather than through faith in Christ’s finished work.
    Refuted by: Acts 10:43–48 (KJV), Romans 10:9–10 (KJV), Ephesians 2:8–9 (KJV)
3. Tongues as Proof of Salvation – They insist speaking in tongues is the necessary sign of receiving the Holy Spirit.
    Refuted by: Romans 8:9 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 12:30 (KJV)

Salvation is by grace through faith, not by water or works — and the true God is eternally Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.


Grace and peace.

Are you intentionally spamming this same comment on multiple threads?

 

[sawdust]

your in no position to tell anyone to stop being rude, with the about if times you've been rude here.

And you tell me what am i suppose to think when you reject every scripture going for favour of your own will and encourage the rudest people going here to throw more inappropriate behaviour, And then you write man can only make a choice by his own will.

I hate it to say it but your a hypocrite

Whatever mate. Go back to ignore.

grace and peace.

 

[OLDBUTNEW]

Just a thought: But maybe the reason for all the arguing here, is due to the two main camps differing in their interpretations of the term FREE WILL, especially, of course, in it's determination of Salvation?

What I mean, therefore, is that could it be that we're actually all in agreement with what leads to Salvation, without realising it?

What are your thoughts?!

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Just a thought: But maybe the reason for all the arguing here, is due to the two main camps differing in their interpretations of the term FREE WILL, especially, of course, in it's determination of Salvation?

What I mean, therefore, is that could it be that we're actually all in agreement with what leads to Salvation, without realising it?

What are your thoughts?!

That's exactly what's going on, but as previously mentioned, one camp will never accept the other camp's definition because they can only think in terms of total depravity/inability, whereas the other camp believes in partial deprivation, ie, they are totally unable to reconcile themselves to God and work perfect righteousness, but they do retain an ability to hear God, know what is good and evil, to choose, and to act within their ability.

 

[Jackson129]

Well I could but I've made an oath to not let them win

Taking a oath is a sin.....

 

[Jackson129]

I should revise that taking an oath like that is a sin. My bad it's 4 am here before work.

 

[OLDBUTNEW]

That's exactly what's going on, but as previously mentioned, one camp will never accept the other camp's definition because they can only think in terms of total depravity/inability, whereas the other camp believes in partial deprivation, ie, they are totally unable to reconcile themselves to God and work perfect righteousness, but they do retain an ability to hear God, know what is good and evil, to choose, and to act within their ability.

@ChristRoseFromTheDead : Excellent points you've made, brother! Thank you! And I agree with you.

 

[Magenta]

Just a thought: But maybe the reason for all the arguing here, is due to the two main camps differing in their interpretations of the term FREE WILL, especially, of course, in it's determination of Salvation?

What I mean, therefore, is that could it be that we're actually all in agreement with what leads to Salvation, without realising it?

What are your thoughts?!

Part of the problem is that people think that making choices equates to the will being free. They say such things as, if the will is not free, then people are puppets. This is a logical fallacy. Making mundane choices does not in any way address what the Bible teaches about man's will being enslaved to sin, blinded to the truth, unable to hear, incapable of submitting to God, a lover of darkness, refusing to come into the light, hearing the gospel as foolishness, unable to receive or comprehend the spiritual things of God, to which he is opposed and to Whom he is hostile toward while under the power and influence of the devil, as is the whole world, out of which believers have been called. Thinking your will is free simply because you can choose what colour of socks to wear or what to have for lunch, or whether to do the right or wrong things, or what book to choose out of the mountains of them available, has no bearing on the eternal fate of your soul, and mixing those things in with what the Bible teaches about the estate of fallen man is a distraction from the real issue.

This is the crux of the conversation, such as it is, for it is out of man's nature that he makes choices, and it is with the heart that one believes... the free will proponents essentially assert that the incurably wicked heart of the natural/unregenerated man is free to choose to believe that which he is not only opposed to, but that which he can neither receive/accept nor comprehend while in the flesh as are all before becoming indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God. They have the man with zero wisdom acting wise to do God's will when Scripture says that man cannot, that flesh cannot please God, that flesh serves the law of sin and brings forth fruit unto death, not life. And their idea of wisdom is that person choosing to believe what they hear as foolishness. They reject what Jesus said about it being impossible for a bad tree to bring forth good fruit... there are none good, no, not one! Even when asked who can be saved, Jesus said that with man it was impossible, and there are other places where we are explicitly told it is not by the will of the flesh or man but by God's will that any are saved. Some philosophy books have said man has a will that is free and that is enough for many to throw over a slew of Scriptural truths. They ascribe to the natural man qualities, characteristics, and abilities possessed only by the spiritual man.

 

[Gv12]

Part of the problem is that people think that making choices equates to the will being free. They say such things as, if the will is not free, then people are puppets. This is a logical fallacy. Making mundane choices does not in any way address what the Bible teaches about man's will being enslaved to sin, blinded to the truth, unable to hear, incapable of submitting to God, a lover of darkness, refusing to come into the light, hearing the gospel as foolishness, unable to receive or comprehend the spiritual things of God, to which he is opposed and to Whom he is hostile toward while under the power and influence of the devil, as is the whole world, out of which believers have been called. Thinking your will is free simply because you can choose what colour of socks to wear or what to have for lunch, or whether to do the right or wrong things, or what book to choose out of the mountains of them available, has no bearing on the eternal fate of your soul, and mixing those things in with what the Bible teaches about the estate of fallen man is a distraction from the real issue.

This is the crux of the conversation, such as it is, for it is out of man's nature that he makes choices, and it is with the heart that one believes... the free will proponents essentially assert that the incurably wicked heart of the natural/unregenerated man is free to choose to believe that which he is not only opposed to, but that which he can neither receive/accept nor comprehend while in the flesh as are all before becoming indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God. They have the man with zero wisdom acting wise to do God's will when Scripture says that man cannot, that flesh cannot please God, that flesh serves the law of sin and brings forth fruit unto death, not life. And their idea of wisdom is that person choosing to believe what they hear as foolishness. They reject what Jesus said about it being impossible for a bad tree to bring forth good fruit... there are none good, no, not one! Even when asked who can be saved, Jesus said that with man it was impossible, and there are other places where we are explicitly told it is not by the will of the flesh or man but by God's will that any are saved. Some philosophy books have said man has a will that is free and that is enough for many to throw over a slew of Scriptural truths.

If there wasn't free will why does the bible again and again show that people disobey God and then there was a punishment for it ? Adam and eve eatting the apple, God destroying the earth and only Noah and his family survived. The Israelites being exiled out of their land.

the word is the life, in the beginning was the word and the word was God, the most treasured scripture of all . The
gospel is the power to save and the seed that gives new life is his seed and his seed is also the word and his will, replacing his seed that never accepted the light.
Like all the others you don't answer a question that you make statements about .

Question, who's seed was it that never accepted the light, did you create the seed yourself

Whose will was in the seed, wasn't his his breath of life by any chance was it ?

Well It couldn't have been your will, could you switch your own life off.

No his will did by your freedom of thought not agreeing to his will that was in his seed. Then the will of your nature became corrupted because you never accepted the light. God gave you freedom of thought to accept his light, see where not robots are we.

Get it

No you won't.

If there wasn't free will why does the bible again and again show that people disobey God and then there was a punishment for it ? God flooded the earth and only Noah and his family survived. The Israelites being exiled out of their land. The bible shows time and time again that people didn't obey God and there were punishments. There are so many examples throughout the bible of people turning away from God and disobedience. You couldn't have disobedience without free will.

Google Ai answer ****
According to Christian theology, Satan wanted to be God out of pride, desiring to usurp God's throne and claim his power and authority. This ambition is famously described in Isaiah 14:12-14, where he is depicted as saying, "I will ascend into heaven; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God... I will be like the Most High". His motivation was rooted in a desire for self-exaltation, power, and worship, leading to his rebellion against God and subsequent fall from heaven.

I believe that we are given free will to choose who we want to follow. God or Satan.

 

[Jordon]

If there wasn't free will why does the bible again and again show that people disobey God and then there was a punishment for it ? Adam and eve eatting the apple, God destroying the earth and only Noah and his family survived. The Israelites being exiled out of their land.

If there wasn't free will why does the bible again and again show that people disobey God and then there was a punishment for it ? God flooded the earth and only Noah and his family survived. The Israelites being exiled out of their land. The bible shows time and time again that people didn't obey God and there were punishments. There are so many examples throughout the bible of people turning away from God and disobedience. You couldn't have disobedience without free will.

Google Ai answer ****
According to Christian theology, Satan wanted to be God out of pride, desiring to usurp God's throne and claim his power and authority. This ambition is famously described in Isaiah 14:12-14, where he is depicted as saying, "I will ascend into heaven; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God... I will be like the Most High". His motivation was rooted in a desire for self-exaltation, power, and worship, leading to his rebellion against God and subsequent fall from heaven.

I believe that we are given free will to choose who we want to follow. God or Satan.

Its only going to be another 20.000 posts with you m, because like so many your freedom of thought turns to AI over God's will, AI IS a Program and it laughable that so many turn to a program whilst calling people robots

But still if I lowered myself to this mentality my freedom of thought would be winning if I now called you a program,

It's also not Good enough for you that you've had clear answers from his word, that you still would rather reject his word over AI.

What part of you that you have freedom of thought, do you not understand.

What part of you do you not. Understand about the word, that the will of man lives in the flesh.

What part of you do not understand that the will of God lives in your seed.

What part of you now will you not recognise that your flesh has no value to God,

Because the will of man live in the flesh and it's corrupted.

So now what part of you will not understand the will of man has no value to God