Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Genez]

But no unregenerated sinner was humble in eternity when God determined to graciously save them by grace in time and space. Humble at the "point" of salvation doesn't mean diddly squat because the sanctifying grace of God could well have preceded one's actual new birth for years!

In fact, I just read a fascinating testimony in a news story about a woman who had been steeped in occult practices for many years, and who had been struggling with God, turned to Jesus for a short time, then left then finally returned for good. Clearly God had been gracious working in this woman's life for some time -- even though she wasn't humble at all.

I know you probably hat the fact that one's humility that's prerequisite for receiving grace is totally bound up in the Humble Servant of God who took on flesh so that he could save mankind. God, too, worked actively in my life for at least 2 years before I was saved. But his grace was not based on any inherent humility in me. The only time true humility entered my mind, heart and soul was at the point of my new birth.

Making someone humble is God's job.

Knowing who is really being humble is His discernment.

 

[Rufus]

I provided you (and the board) with a staggeringly important and impeccably scholarly study of Romans 8:28-30 earlier. Which you surely contemptuously ignored.

But I did not ignore it. In fact I am on my THIRD review of this lecture series.

Which of course is why I actually know what I am talking about....and do not.

Those who are full of self-love are full of themselves, aren't they?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Do do you recognise the lyrics in every breath you take from sting to be from a Jelouse God

I recognize you believe the lyrics written by sting are "from a Jelouse God" ... however, I do not.

Has sting ever stated that the song has anything to do with God's Word? ... or the verse you quoted?

Here's what he said in a 1983 interview (bold mine):

I woke up in the middle of the night with that line in my head, sat down at the piano and had written it in half an hour. The tune itself is generic, an aggregate of hundreds of others, but the words are interesting. It sounds like a comforting love song. I didn't realise at the time how sinister it is. I think I was thinking of Big Brother, surveillance and control.​

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[reneweddaybyday]

And your point is what precisely

that Judas took part in the breaking of bread and he drank the wine. Judas having taken part is a warning ... and we are warned by Paul as well ... entering into covenant is serious and we are not to think we can do so unworthily ...

1 Corinthians 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

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[Rufus]

Making someone humble is God's job.

Knowing who is really being humble is His discernment.

Correct. And God made Christ Humble at his First Advent so that He could save his chosen people through Him. So...Christ's humility was DETERMINED in eternity along with the rest of His body who would come to faith in space and time. You're earlier premise fails because salvation is a PROCESS -- therefore, God's grace is normally active in his elect, in many cases, years before they come to faith! So, your earlier "point of faith"| premise is false.

 

[Rufus]

that Judas took part in the breaking of bread and he drank the wine. Judas having taken part is a warning ... and we are warned by Paul as well ... entering into covenant is serious and we are not to think we can do so unworthily ...

1 Corinthians 11:28 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

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Which was an empty religious ritual, as far as Judas was concerned. Judas' eternal destiny and the role he would play on God's world stage was determined in eternity.

So, tell me, please: How do the biblical facts concerning Judas not make God morally culpable for the death of Jesus?

 

[Rufus]

Kroogz said:
Were you humble or proud when you received Grace?

The Federal Head of God's elect was humble, does that count?

 

[Magenta]

Thank you. I was feeling a little down from the other day when I learned I had been
horribly wrong concerning Jericho. All this time I was under the impression it was about
the omnipotence, judgment, and sovereignty of God. Imagine my dismay when I learned
it was actually evangelistic outreach, complete with musical accompaniment.

I think the musical accompaniment was very important since the incessant onslaught of vibrational frequencies caused the walls to fall.

 

[Rufus]

Yes, their god is half love and half hate.

And your passions are not divided, as well? You love both good and evil?

 

[Rufus]

Exactly.
John 3:16

Satan~~Does God love the whole world? Reformed/calvie/tulip theory.....Nope. A third grader.....Yep.

No FWer here has provided an explicit passage in scripture that teaches God loves sinners just as He loves His saints.

 

[Rufus]

I think that way of thinking has such inherent contradictions with opposing, irreconcilable thoughts, that the more firmly they are embraced, the greater the frustrations and outward expressions of bile and anger.

Well then...I challenge you to prove what you "think" by using the Law of Contradiction to validate your beliefs.

 

[BillyBob]

Exactly.
John 3:16

Satan~~Does God love the whole world? Reformed/calvie/tulip theory.....Nope. A third grader.....Yep.

Are you admitting that FWers have the brain of a third grader?

 

[Jordon]

I recognize you believe the lyrics written by sting are "from a Jelouse God" ... however, I do not.

Has sting ever stated that the song has anything to do with God's Word? ... or the verse you quoted?

Here's what he said in a 1983 interview (bold mine):

I woke up in the middle of the night with that line in my head, sat down at the piano and had written it in half an hour. The tune itself is generic, an aggregate of hundreds of others, but the words are interesting. It sounds like a comforting love song. I didn't realise at the time how sinister it is. I think I was thinking of Big Brother, surveillance and control.​

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lwhat about watching every move you make and every breath you take and every vow you make,

Unless I'm mistaking only God can do that m

Would you say it's a nice day for recognition.

And then he said i didn't think at the time how sinister it was ?
Do think it was sinister m if he never thought that at the time ?.



Was he replying to somebody who thought it was sinister m ?

He got up in the middle of the night and just wrote a whole song.

Any chance you could recognise that may have been a gift. Seeing as his other songs sing about God ?

I just wonder m have you sometimes not believed everything you said about yourself

 

[Magenta]

No FWer here has provided an explicit passage in scripture that teaches God loves sinners just as He loves His saints.

Any time they could provide one articulating free will in relation to salvation...

But of course we know no such verse or verses exist.

Eh, they like their bad trees bringing forth good fruit better even though Jesus said it was not possible.

 

[sawdust]

Are you admitting that FWers have the brain of a third grader?

He was saying that is all you need to know the truth. Us third graders have now moved on beyond the class of elementary doctrine.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Correct. And God made Christ Humble at his First Advent so that He could save his chosen people through Him. So...Christ's humility was DETERMINED in eternity along with the rest of His body who would come to faith in space and time. You're earlier premise fails because salvation is a PROCESS -- therefore, God's grace is normally active in his elect, in many cases, years before they come to faith! So, your earlier "point of faith"| premise is false.

Romans 10:9-10

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

When a person confesses with his or her mouth the Lord Jesus and believes in his or her heart that God raised Him from the dead ... the result is salvation ... right at that moment ... not "years before they come to faith!"

and fyi ... the word "confess" in vs 9 is translated from the Greek word homologeō which means to say the same thing. When the gospel is preached ... the person "confesses" (agrees that Jesus is Lord) and believes in his or her heart that God raised Him from the dead ... that person is saved from that moment on ... same thing we read in Romans 1:16-17. God is faithful.

Sanctification is the years-long process ... from the time a person is born again until the Lord returns or the believer passes away.

God's Word is much more powerful and faithful than all the naysaying blathering that goes on in the pages of this thread concerning the "inability of mankind".

What "gospel" do you preach?

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[Rufus]

Jesus specifically said of Judas that he was a devil, and unclean. Not a believer. How
anyone can interpret all that to mean saved is beyond me, but I know people do..

Hey...don't you know that GOD IS LOVE! Therefore, God loves saints and sinners alike -- good and evil alike -- the holy angels and demons alike. I mean...if He didn't...He couldn't be God, right?

Funny how FWers totaly ignore the moral aspect to God's love.

 

[Rufus]

Romans 10:9-10

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

When a person confesses with his or her mouth the Lord Jesus and believes in his or her heart that God raised Him from the dead ... the result is salvation ... right at that moment ... not "years before they come to faith!"

and fyi ... the word "confess" in vs 9 is translated from the Greek word homologeō which means to say the same thing. When the gospel is preached ... the person "confesses" (agrees that Jesus is Lord) and believes in his or her heart that God raised Him from the dead ... that person is saved from that moment on ... same thing we read in Romans 1:16-17. God is faithful.

Sanctification is the years-long process ... from the time a person is born again until the Lord returns or the believer passes away.

God's Word is much more powerful and faithful than all the naysaying blathering that goes on in the pages of this thread concerning the "inability of mankind".

What "gospel" do you preach?

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Nope, you're wrong! See 2Thes 2:13; 1Pet 1:2-5. Pay careful attention to the word/phrase order of both passages. The sanctification process begins long before the new birth -- it's part of the God's drawing process.

 

[Rufus]

Romans 10:9-10

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

When a person confesses with his or her mouth the Lord Jesus and believes in his or her heart that God raised Him from the dead ... the result is salvation ... right at that moment ... not "years before they come to faith!"

and fyi ... the word "confess" in vs 9 is translated from the Greek word homologeō which means to say the same thing. When the gospel is preached ... the person "confesses" (agrees that Jesus is Lord) and believes in his or her heart that God raised Him from the dead ... that person is saved from that moment on ... same thing we read in Romans 1:16-17. God is faithful.

Sanctification is the years-long process ... from the time a person is born again until the Lord returns or the believer passes away.

God's Word is much more powerful and faithful than all the naysaying blathering that goes on in the pages of this thread concerning the "inability of mankind".

What "gospel" do you preach?

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The biblical one. What is your excuse?

 

[Kroogz]

Are you admitting that FWers have the brain of a third grader?

Matt 19:14
But Jesus said, “Leave the children alone, and do not forbid them to come to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”