Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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cv5 said:
You don't need to tell us that many Calvinists enshrine ignorance and obfuscation little buddy. The spectacle of the Calvinists postings make us all aware of this phenomenon. ;)

But in the spirit of concern for the abovementioned sorry dilemma, allow me to in some small way mollify your crippling deficiency with even more valuable and edifying educational Bible trivia:

The so-called "Red Sea" crossing actually happened at the Gulf of Aqaba. Opposite Baal Zephon.
I would ask you to research the matter to confirm, but this may be asking far too much I know......:rolleyes:
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aww come on buddy pucker up, we all know the story it was God freeing them from there bondage, God still had a job to do in transforming them, albeit Gods life was made harder by people ignoring the word of God, but then people have to learn,

Maybe if you find a way to let dogs be dogs and cats be cats, you might actually start to have a better time with chatting and people might take more interest on your research,
But when you constantly address people in the manner you are mate you won't get anywhere.

Why you not bothered m ?
 
Jordon said:
But when you constantly address people in the manner you are mate you won't get anywhere.
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On the contrary, I have already arrived at my destination little buddy.
In other words, I already "got there".....;)

You see, its those poor raggedy super-determinists drifting aimlessly in a fetid Sargasso Sea of dogmatic futility that has me concerned enough to persist in endeavoring to cast them a Biblically accurate doctrinal lifeline around here.....:giggle:
 
Cameron143 said:
How do you define gnostic?
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It encompasses a spectrum of beliefs, but the important points relative to this discussion are:
  • The belief that they are the enlightened elect and spiritually perfect, who because of their spiritual nature can never be lost no matter what behavior they practice. Against Heresies Book 1 Chapter 6 Paragraph 2
  • The belief that grace can never be taken away from them because grace is their eternal possession joined to them in a mysterious union from above. Against Heresies Book 1 Chapter 6 Paragraph 4
  • The belief that it is impossible for physical man to do anything good. ibid
  • The belief that Christians who believe it is necessary to do good works are ignorant persons with a carnal nature and imperfect knowledge. ibid
  • The belief that it is not righteous conduct that leads into eternal life (Pleroma), but it is the seed of grace within them that is brought to perfection through the perfect knowledge of their spiritual nature. ibid

Against Heresies
http://www.gnosis.org/library/advh1.htm
 
Jordon said:
aww come on buddy pucker up, we all know the story it was God freeing them from there bondage, God still had a job to do in transforming them, albeit Gods life was made harder by people ignoring the word of God, but then people have to learn,

Maybe if you find a way to let dogs be dogs and cats be cats, you might actually start to have a better time with chatting and people might take more interest on your research,
But when you constantly address people in the manner you are mate you won't get anywhere.

Why you not bothered m ?
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Great stuff, bro!
 
HeIsHere said:
There are many faulty analogies used in the Reformed plan of salvation.

One being Lazuras, debunked on this thread, the other what it means to be born again.

Christ Jesus is talking about birth and not conception so we can rule out the conception argument.

A baby does excrete hormones as part of the birth process, so to say the baby does nothing is blatantly wrong.

Calvinists say "We can't make ourselves born again, only the Spirit can do that. And God decides whom to make born again."

Belief and born again are two separate things.

Yes, it's true that we can't make ourselves born again (that's the Spirit's job)... but it's also true that He does it in response to what we can do: BELIEVE.

Believing is our job, the one responsibility/condition God gave us to do to be saved: "Then they asked him, 'What must we do to do the works God requires?'

Jesus answered, 'The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent [Jesus].'" John 6:28-29.

On the surface Calvinist make you think they are saying something truly Biblical and that you might agree with…something that actually glorifies God but they change the meaning by redefining the very terms. They give themselves great liberty in redefining terms and ultimately when one goes to the logical end of the doctrine it does NOT Glorify God at all.

The Bible does not teach, that even in his fallen state, a human is born unable to respond positively, willingly to the Good News of Christ Jesus unless regenerated first.

Regeneration prior to belief is what is truly missing from scripture, autonomous moral will is seen throughout scripture.
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Do babies also consciously excrete their decisions while in the womb?
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
It encompasses a spectrum of beliefs, but the important points relative to this discussion are:
  • The belief that they are the enlightened elect and spiritually perfect, who because of their spiritual nature can never be lost no matter what behavior they practice. Against Heresies Book 1 Chapter 6 Paragraph 2
  • The belief that grace can never be taken away from them because grace is their eternal possession joined to them in a mysterious union from above. Against Heresies Book 1 Chapter 6 Paragraph 4
  • The belief that it is impossible for physical man to do anything good. ibid
  • The belief that Christians who believe it is necessary to do good works are ignorant persons with a carnal nature and imperfect knowledge. ibid
  • The belief that it is not righteous conduct that leads into eternal life (Pleroma), but it is the seed of grace within them that is brought to perfection through the perfect knowledge of their spiritual nature. ibid

Against Heresies
http://www.gnosis.org/library/advh1.htm
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Can you just tell me in your own words in a sentence or two?
 
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StanDupp said:
What He did was offered the entire world the opportunity to come join Him in the New Covenant. His door is open to all.

Those that claim limited atonement have no assurance of their own personal salvation because this teaching is heresy and that's on God's list of "those that do these things shall not inherit the Kingdom" - it is one of the the works of the flesh mentioned in Galatians 5:19-21





Calvinists won't be spending eternity with the Lord sadly as they continue their perversion of God's Word and instead following doctrines of demons.

It's really sad too seeing their are blinded by the darkness that has engulfed them. Too bad so sad.





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Well bless your pea picken heart. Deception has taken over your thoughts


Deuteronomy 24:16
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers:
every man shall be put to death for his own sin

Deuteronomy 1:39
Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no
knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

2 Kings 14:6
But the sons of the slayers he did not put to death, according to what is written in the book of the Law of Moses,
as the Lord commanded, saying, “The fathers shall not be put to death for the sons, nor the sons be put to death
for the fathers; but each shall be put to death for his own sin

Ezekiel 18:19
Yet you say, ‘Why should the son not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity?’ When the son has practiced
justice and righteousness and has observed all My statutes and done them, he shall surely live

Ezekiel 18:20
The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father
bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself


We were NOT born with a sin nature!
when God placed a person in the mother's womb... the Lord did not put sin in to them making them to be born
as sinners.

What some are referring to as "sin nature" are the habits we all take on as a result of living in a world full of sin
and darkness and habitually they become full of "sin nature" because they live in sin continually walking after
the flesh and not after the Spirit.

God did not make anyone to be a sinner when He created them... but satan claims He did


Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

We all became sinners AFTER we arrived on Club Earth so God is holding each person accountable for their own

sin, not for Adam's sin

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for

that all have sinned:

Here again.... death (separation from God) passed upon all men because all have sinned






We'll see how following the murder Jon Calvin's teachings works out for you people in the end.

It ends badly. You have been put on notice!






Yeah, the followers of John Calvin the scripture twister are confused.

They get that from their father the devil.




And according to the calvinist heretics, God decided most people will go to hell.

They claim God created most people for no other purpose but to be tormented in hell and He supposedly did so before any of these people were even born.

This is because calvinists confuse God and satan - to them it's all thew same guy which is what happens when people follow doctrines of demons, they become children of the devil and are too slow and blind to even know it. Sad state of affairs for the calvinists, but they have been warned!
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First of all provide the proof from the New Covenant promises that God promised to offer the world covenant participation.

And, yes, all men are evil, are sinners, are wicked because they are born sinners. SINFUL is their nature. No human being comes into this world in either a neutral state or in goodness.
 
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