I know I've seen there reasoning.
But what can we do, where in the same boat m our human will is worthless to God, we just have to get on with it.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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But what can we do, where in the same boat m our human will is worthless to God, we just have to get on with it.
Remember doubting Thomas Jesus told him, it is your living hope in the unseen that helps you to believe m not your will
Hope is not human will m
When you hope hold on to the feeling in your heart it's a complete different feeling to making a choice.
The feeling of making a choice is over in a blink of an eye
The feeling of holding on to hope in the heart the will grows stronger m, his will, it speaks back to. It can make me nervous sometimes at first to but I guess that's him sorting me out m, helping me with my nerves
This is why I say I lose ground if I dont do it.
Hope is not human will m
When you hope hold on to the feeling in your heart it's a complete different feeling to making a choice.
The feeling of making a choice is over in a blink of an eye
The feeling of holding on to hope in the heart the will grows stronger m, his will, it speaks back to. It can make me nervous sometimes at first to but I guess that's him sorting me out m, helping me with my nerves
This is why I say I lose ground if I dont do it.
That's the seventh greatest commandment of free will
Thou shall insult intelligence
They just don't get it free will is freedom of thought, m
But it would make a real difference if they could listen to the many many requests to stop using there intelligence to insults people intelligence with m,
Especially @cv5 @HeIsHere @Genez @Believer08 @Bible_Highlighter @sawdust
Who repeatedly almost everyday gang up on magenta, insult her by making out her ideas are what they see as twisted Theologies spoken by a twisted evil individual whom they don't even want to know the truth about.
All they is do is continue to speak ill of a dead good person even thou he was a well loved and a valued person during the great reformation which Calvin was apart of, neither will thet want to acknowledge the many books and writings that write about his caring work of people.
And as for creating new bogus member names just to have an confrontation with magenta just shows how much there flesh controls them m
This is what really annoys me, as this is the behaviour of dipshits, behaving like scum balls
It's doesn't take intelligence to know m that when you get a totally new member going directly into insulting people personally, there, then being nice and insulting people then being the nice it's @Genez the king of the trolls
I did not gang up on Magenta. That is false slander.
Please provide the post numbers of where you feel I attacked her and ganged up on her.
To gang up on somebody is to continually attack a person's character and constantly make it about them, and not the topic (with Scripture) while they are the only person standing defending the truth within a thread. Laughing and false slander generally is involved, as well.
I have been ganged up on before. I was the only one standing in threads as others laughed at me and made jokes about my character rather than dealing with the Bible verses. To gang up on a person is to call them names and make them feel low and unloved.
We can attack what we feel is the false belief. That is not the same thing as attacking the person. There is a difference.
Did you see all my other posts where I said to others that I we can agree to disagree in love?
Most of my posts are focused on dealing with the verses.
Granted, I did criticize her once for her photos that I personally find disturbing. Pictures of seductive women with jewels is something I do not find appropriate in a Christian platform. But that is my personal preference that I expressed to her and I strived not to sound unloving in saying that.
If you were to look at my posts, you will notice a unique thing. I stick to Scripture as the primary argument, and I have asked you and others who deny free will in regards to God here and address 2 Thessalonians 2:10.
I said nobody from your side (who denies free will in choosing God) has ever been able to give a word-for-word commentary on this verse. Even John Calvin's commentary does not address the verse fully in what it says plainly.
Again, I know many of you here do not like to be called Calvinists. I will strive not to say that if it is something you feel uncomfortable with as a label (even though most of the world will still see you as Calvinists even if I strive to not say that).
2 Thessalonians 2:10 KJV says that the reason why those who perish are destroyed is because they received not the love of the truth that they might be saved. The verse does not say they perish because they were not Elect or not regenerated. Again, how do you deal with this? Can you open up your Bible now and look at 2 Thessalonians 2:10 and prayerfully consider each word it is saying? Can you tell all of us here what you think each word is saying? How does that fit the context and the rest of Scripture as a whole?
Please stick to Scripture in what it says. I would like to know your thoughts and the thoughts of others here who deny free will when choosing God.
I hope you understand where I am coming from.
May the Lord Jesus bless you, even if we disagree.
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It is a bit ironic that the "reformed" soteriology makes the same error that Nicodemus made.
It presents spiritual birth as the same thing as physical birth, acting as if they happen the same way, falsely inferring that since we can't affect our physical birth then we can't affect our spiritual birth either.
Once again false inferences, eisegesis!
So contrary to "reformed" doctrine (Calvin may be dead, but his crackpot ideas live on) when they assert
>>> "We don't play any role in the new birth, it is why there is no command given, no explanation how to do this."
But indeed there is....
Acts 16:31: “… Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved …”
John 5:24: “I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.”
John 1:12: “Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.”
This doctrine fails every day, in every way! No hope for the lost only for the pre-selected, ugh!!
It presents spiritual birth as the same thing as physical birth, acting as if they happen the same way, falsely inferring that since we can't affect our physical birth then we can't affect our spiritual birth either.
Once again false inferences, eisegesis!
So contrary to "reformed" doctrine (Calvin may be dead, but his crackpot ideas live on) when they assert
>>> "We don't play any role in the new birth, it is why there is no command given, no explanation how to do this."
But indeed there is....
Acts 16:31: “… Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved …”
John 5:24: “I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.”
John 1:12: “Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.”
This doctrine fails every day, in every way! No hope for the lost only for the pre-selected, ugh!!
truly outstanding fellow.
Let me guess by your reasoning, your excuse for calling every word people say is Calvinism who are opposing your ideas n this thread is justified.
And also your lack of ignorance to acknowledge that the rest of the gang are doing the same thing to magenta l, no you wouldn't cal that ganging up on her would you. Obviously you lack human reasoning in integrity, because your.free will dictates you
And no you wouldn't call that insulting her either
Because you can't accept the truth about yourself, or the good things said about Mr Calvin who died a long time ago.
Your to busy beating a dead horse to even warm to that idea m
Welp.......those who see fit to edit/censor/redefine what the Bible declares because of "personal experiences" take the risk of plunging headlong into a precarious chasm of heretical folly......
People in recent years have claimed that when they died, they seen a vision of Jesus and Heaven. All of these claims are just false and contradict what the Bible says. People think Jesus looks like a white European when he was actually a Jew and would look more middle eastern. Some people get upset if you attack the TV series called the Chosen. So fantasy has replaced the truth of the Scriptures.
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Right, Jesus says He is a door. It does not mean He has hinges or door knob on Him.
Analogies are not to be taken to the literal extreme.
Scripture as a whole still has to breathe in harmony together.
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The door is away open to his children its just a shame you feel obliged to shut it on his children m
It's truly ironic that you can't recognise all of Christianity has been transformed by the great reformation m
But what's even more outstanding is you dont realise your free will dictates your ignorance
Thou shall insult intelligence
The door is away open to his children its just a shame you feel obliged to shut it on his children m
The door is open to all. Anyone has the “free will offer“ to become a child of God if they want. 2 Peter 3:9 says God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. Sure, God knows who will accept Him and reject Him. But that is on them. In those who deny free will or those who believe in Calvinism, the door is shut to the majority of mankind, and they never had a chance to believe or receive Christ because of God’s decision (When God could have easily snapped His fingers and saved them).
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It's truly ironic that you can't recognise all of Christianity has been transformed by the great reformation m
But what's even more outstanding is you dont realise your free will dictates your ignorance
Thou shall insult intelligence
The good things that came from the "reformation" are not contingent on anything Calvin accomplished and it did not need him at all, in fact his authoritarian actions casts a very negative light on Christianity.
The door is away open to his children its just a shame you feel obliged to shut it on his children m
Think. Why on Earth do you think there is going to be a Judgment?
The Judgment would be a joke or a farce if it were all on God who decided who was saved and not saved.
It would be like having a judgment for robots that were just following their programming and had no true choice.
The Judgment will be a place where God will judge men for having accepted Him or rejected Him.
According to Scripture, God will judge every man according to his works.
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You slander both Magenta and me (at least) by calling us "Calvanists."
"...or while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way? 4 For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human?" - 1 For 3:3-4 ESV
You have been told more than once that we follow no one but Jesus, yet you continue with the slander. You should remove that very large log in your eye before trying to remove the speck from someone else's.
What He did was offered the entire world the opportunity to come join Him in the New Covenant. His door is open to all.
Those that claim limited atonement have no assurance of their own personal salvation because this teaching is heresy and that's on God's list of "those that do these things shall not inherit the Kingdom" - it is one of the the works of the flesh mentioned in Galatians 5:19-21
Calvinists won't be spending eternity with the Lord sadly as they continue their perversion of God's Word and instead following doctrines of demons.
It's really sad too seeing their are blinded by the darkness that has engulfed them. Too bad so sad.
Well bless your pea picken heart. Deception has taken over your thoughts
Deuteronomy 24:16
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers:
every man shall be put to death for his own sin
Deuteronomy 1:39
Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no
knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.
2 Kings 14:6
But the sons of the slayers he did not put to death, according to what is written in the book of the Law of Moses,
as the Lord commanded, saying, “The fathers shall not be put to death for the sons, nor the sons be put to death
for the fathers; but each shall be put to death for his own sin
Ezekiel 18:19
Yet you say, ‘Why should the son not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity?’ When the son has practiced
justice and righteousness and has observed all My statutes and done them, he shall surely live
Ezekiel 18:20
The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father
bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself
We were NOT born with a sin nature!
when God placed a person in the mother's womb... the Lord did not put sin in to them making them to be born
as sinners.
What some are referring to as "sin nature" are the habits we all take on as a result of living in a world full of sin
and darkness and habitually they become full of "sin nature" because they live in sin continually walking after
the flesh and not after the Spirit.
God did not make anyone to be a sinner when He created them... but satan claims He did
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
We all became sinners AFTER we arrived on Club Earth so God is holding each person accountable for their own
sin, not for Adam's sin
Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for
that all have sinned:
Here again.... death (separation from God) passed upon all men because all have sinned
We'll see how following the murder Jon Calvin's teachings works out for you people in the end.
It ends badly. You have been put on notice!
Yeah, the followers of John Calvin the scripture twister are confused.
They get that from their father the devil.
And according to the calvinist heretics, God decided most people will go to hell.
They claim God created most people for no other purpose but to be tormented in hell and He supposedly did so before any of these people were even born.
This is because calvinists confuse God and satan - to them it's all thew same guy which is what happens when people follow doctrines of demons, they become children of the devil and are too slow and blind to even know it. Sad state of affairs for the calvinists, but they have been warned!
Think your way, well I could do but I'm not obliged to live by human reasoning.
Because I see your logical fallacy of seeing God as a puppet master disrespectful to enforcing your opinion.
Which again is born out of free will dictating your reasonsing.
For the unsaved a better reasoning would be God of the mighty Muppet mouths
Those who espouse the tenets of calvinism can claim they aren't calvinists all they'd like.
But they be calvinists
Rom 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made
righteous.
Those claiming what Adam did made all people to be sinners... so WHY do they not believe verse 19 and apply the same logic.
If they did that then they would have to now claim that all have been made righteous thru the actions of Jesus
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made
righteous.
Those claiming what Adam did made all people to be sinners... so WHY do they not believe verse 19 and apply the same logic.
If they did that then they would have to now claim that all have been made righteous thru the actions of Jesus