Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Reformed teaching did not dictate my belief. Rather, what I came to believe led me to reformed teaching.
Scripture teaches that God is in control of all things right down to the most minuscule detail. And, since that is true, He determines those who belong to Him, [His elect]. There will be absolutely no sneaking in the back door! And in doing so, He will draw [His elect] and leave all others to their own destruction.
Man loves to boast in his own ability, but it is God who provides our ability. Therefore, your so called FW will get you nowhere.
The FW group says God only goes so far, and then leaves the decision to us. But, fallen man continues to say “That apple sure looks good”.

I have heard others like you say this before. It doesn't mean that the Calvinist teaching is true.
It would only mean that men have a bias or preference for God in being deterministic.
Truth is determined by the Word of God (Scripture) and not our own thoughts.


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Unregenerate man has total inability to restore himself to God, but he has the ability to respond to God's teaching and be led to the one who can regenerate him
So does the Holy Spirit give this ability or not? In one post that is what you say, now you seem to be saying something else.
 
So does the Holy Spirit give this ability or not? In one post that is what you say, now you seem to be saying something else.

All men have the innate ability to hear the voice of God (the spirit). Some hearken to it, most don't. Those who hearken God leads to his son who removes the blinders and gives them the ability to follow him.
 
All men have the innate ability to hear the voice of God (the spirit). Some hearken to it, most don't. Those who hearken God leads to his son who removes the blinders and gives them the ability to follow him.
You contradict Jesus.

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John 8 verses 43, 47, Acts 13 verse 48, Romans 8 verse 8, John 8 verse 43 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message.” “Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” When the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.
 
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John Calvin laid the groundwork. The heart of this theological system comes directly from John Calvin himself. While Calvin drew deeply from Augustine’s emphasis on the sovereignty and grace of God, he shaped a distinct and influential teaching on salvation. In Calvin’s writings, we already find the major doctrines later associated with Calvinism: the deep moral inability of fallen man, God’s unconditional choice to save, a redemption designed for the elect, the effective drawing of God that brings sinners to faith, and the perseverance of those truly born again. These core ideas were present from the beginning, even though Calvin never arranged them into the later TULIP format or listed them as five points.

After Calvin’s death, Theodore Beza continued to carry forward and better articulate the same doctrines with greater clarity and detailed reasoning, strengthening the theological structure already laid down by Calvin. In his works, the themes that would one day be summarized as TULIP appear with strong definition. Yet Beza likewise did not create the TULIP acronym or publish a tidy five-point summary.

The familiar five-point expression did not arise until the Synod of Dort in 1618–1619, when Reformed leaders needed a concise response to the five points raised by the Arminian Remonstrants. Dort did not invent new theology. It simply organized existing Reformed teaching into a clear and memorable response that later came to be known as TULIP.



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You disagree with reformed teaching but at the same time use Psalm 107, [which is praising God for deliverance], as your logo.
Go figure!
 
All men have the innate ability to hear the voice of God (the spirit).
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from Revelation 3 verse 17-18 ~ You say, ‘I need nothing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, white garments so that you may be clothed and your shameful nakedness not exposed, and salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.
 
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I will walk you through it. They received not (plain English there) because God did not give it.

God can only be known by those Jesus chooses to reveal Him. That is explicitly articulated in Scripture.
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Paul is clearly saying that those who perish are destroyed because they received not the love of the truth that they might be saved. The responsibility lies with the person who refuses God’s offer of salvation. It is not on God withholding the ability to believe. Paul does not leave any space to blame their destruction on God failing to regenerate them first. He makes their rejection the decisive factor.

I appreciate the verses you shared. They are important truths. I simply understand them differently than Calvinism presents them.

Every good thing we have comes from God. No one earns grace. God must draw, convict, open the heart, and enable a person to understand the gospel. None of that is in dispute.

The issue is the conclusion being added on top of these verses rather than what the verses themselves actually say.

1 Corinthians 4:7 is talking about believers not boasting in their spiritual gifts. It is not saying God prevents others from being able to respond when He calls them to be saved.

John 3:27 tells us that John’s calling and ministry came from Heaven. It is not saying that God only enables a select group to believe while leaving others without any real chance.

Romans 9-11 deals in context to the nation of Israel. Romans 9 is a criticism against Israel and their rejection of the Messiah.
It is addressing Israel's false views of Salvific Nationalism and Works Alone Salvationism without God's grace. Just read the end of Romans 9 in context. It is not referring to any kind of forced salvationism here.

From Genesis through Revelation, the message is consistent: God desires all to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. People perish because they reject what God is doing to save them. The Bible continually points to human refusal, not divine restriction, as the cause of lostness.


Side Note:

You have repeatedly posted pictures of women wearing magical gemstones in these threads. They pull attention away from the Scripture we are discussing. I am here to stay focused on the Word, so keeping to that would be much appreciated.



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You disagree with reformed teaching but at the same time use Psalm 107, [which is praising God for deliverance], as your logo.
Go figure!

Feel free any time to explain 2 Thesalonians 2:10 word-for-word in its most plainest way.
However, I know you will never do that because no Calvinist has ever done so yet.



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Every good thing we have comes from God. No one earns grace. God must draw, convict, open the heart, and enable a person to understand the gospel. None of that is in dispute.
You do dispute it because your belief is that the unregenerated man is moved to belief when Scripture
says he cannot understand, and does not receive and is opposed to the very things you claim he embraces.


Do you choose to believe things that are heard as foolishness to you?

Did you believe the gospel when it was still heard as foolishness by you?

You also deny predestination, do you not?

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Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.
 
You do dispute it because your belief is that the unregenerated man is moved to belief when Scripture
says he cannot understand, and does not receive and is opposed to the very things you claim he embraces.

Give me a word-for-word commentary on 2 Thessalonians 2:10 in what it says, please.



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Give me a word-for-word commentary on 2 Thessalonians 2:10 in what it says, please.
Nope. I have things to do and places to go and people to see. You keep lying about the source
of my beliefs and you will not likely change that dishonest propensity no matter what I say.
It is a fave tactic of free willers and Pelagian heretics such as yourself.
 
Nope. I have things to do and places to go and people to see. You keep lying about the source
of my beliefs and you will not likely change that dishonest propensity no matter what I say.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 is not going anywhere. Whenever you can, that would be great.
But like I said, no Calvinist has ever truly addressed the plain meaning of this verse word-for-word.



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The Biblical View of Favoritism, Pt 2/2

It appears that all our boastful FWers, who are wanna-be bible scholars and experts with gazillions of hours of intense, inductive bible studies under their belt, have no reply to my 20,717 wherein I exploded their mythical version of what "favoritism" truly means in scripture. But I did save the best part for last, for earlier I only alluded to portions of Acts 9 and 10 to make my argument. But then...comes chapter 11, which demolishes another another one of their wicked myths, which is (in a nutshell): all of God's unconditional, unilateral New Covenant promises are fulfilled after a person's "freewill" decision to trust Christ and repent of their sins -- truly a day late and dollar short salvation plan. :rolleyes:

Acts 10 records for us in vv. 6-10 Cornelius' encounter with an angel the Lord sent to this unsaved, God-fearing Gentile. But how could this be since the gift of grace known as the Fear of the Lord was promised only to God's Old Covenant people (Jer 32:36-41)?

Not only that but there's an additional problem, for Act 6-10 tells us that God not only heard this unsaved Gentile's prayers but that his prayers and gifts ascended up to God as a memorial! But how could this be since scripture clearly teaches that God does not hear the prayers of sinners/unrighteous (Jn 9:31)?

There is but only one answer to these difficult questions that appear to contradict scripture: Cornelius was one of God's elect since eternity, so from God's eternal perspective this Gentile was always righteous in God's sight by His sovereign, eternal decree.

Acts 11 reveals more of the angel's words to Cornelius than what is revealed initially in chapter 10 in which Peter said:

Acts 11:13-14
13 He [Cornelius] told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, 'Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter.
14 He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.'
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So, there we have it as plain as the nose on our faces! Cornelius was gifted with the NC promised grace of the Fear of the Lord BEFORE he and his household were saved! BEFORE -- which all FWers are loathe to admit because they preach and teach the false gospel of conditional grace -- conditioned upon sinners' "freewill" choices. And once the sinner does his part in this quid pro quo, transactional type of salvation, this frees up God to do His! :rolleyes: They keep telling us (essentially) that all the unconditional NC promises God fulfills in the sinner on the merits of a sinner's "freewill" choice to trust in Christ faith and repent of their sins, which is entirely the sinner's efficacious choice. But if this were true, then Paul could have never written what he did in Rom 9:16; 1Cor 1:30; 2Tim 1:9; for FWT outright contradicts biblical theology. Since FWers believe that their "freewill" choices are efficacious, then logically if this were true, it is the sinner who ultimately and efficaciously decided to put himself in Christ. After all, it would be totally unjust of God to take the choice of one's eternal destiny out of any sinner's hand. :rolleyes:

Moreover, Peter again affirms in chapter 11 how God does not show favoritism between Jews and Gentiles. He doesn't because He bestowed the SAME gift on these Gentiles that he did earlier with the Jews (vv. 15-17). Jews and Gentiles both received the precious gift of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, no partiality qualitatively!

This leaves but one more question to address: How in the world did these Gentile converts to Christianity ever partake of God's grace that was promised only to the Old Covenant people of God? The answer is simple: The Old Covenant people of God, who physically descended from Abraham, was expanded to include all the patriarch's [spiritual] descendants w/o exception-- not just biological Jews (Gal 3:6-9; 26-29), etc. (An aside: If we understand "world" in Jn. 3:16 to mean nations -- God so loved the nations -- to which the Jews never considered themselves to be a part of any of the unclean, uncircumcised nations -- then we can see how the Gr, term "kosmos" is being used in the qualified, limited sense, cf. Lev 20:24-26; Num 16:21; 23:8-9; Deut 4:19-20; 7:1-11; 9:1-6; 11:22-25; 32:8-9; Josh 23:6-13; Ezra 9:1-2; 10:11; Neh 13:1-3; Jn 4:9, 27; 18:28-29; Acts 10:28; 11:1-3; Rom 11:11-12; 2 Cor 6:14-18; Gal 2:12-13; Eph 2:11-13; 1Jn 2:2; 5:18-19.)

Finally, God heard Cornelius' prayers because he prayed humbly, sincerely and piously in the Fear of the Lord which was sovereignly gifted to him! The Fear of the Lord and Circumcision of the Heart are both efficacious, transformational, life-changing, eternal gifts. Since God decreed the salvation of all of Cornelius' household in eternity, we can be certain that his decree will be fulfilled in temporal reality which is exactly what occurred in this narrative. For nothing can thwart God's purposes (Isa 14:27)!

So, FWers, it appears that your mean-spirited, narcissistic god did "bully" and "force" Cornelious and his entire household to believe in Him. In FWT, your version of god is just as wicked as the world's god (Satan), for in both cases both gods coerce their people to do their bidding. :rolleyes: I find it more than intresting that you guys never post anything disprespectful about the god this world who blinds mankind and hold them captive to do his will. But you are very quick to blashpeme a Good, Holy and Righteous Savior whose only purpose in salvation is to resuce, redeem, reconcile and restore helpless, hopeless sinners to Himself.
 
That's because you lie about who is a Calvinist.

If I was misinformed as to who is actually a Calvinist it was either due to their lack of not explaining their position to me (while they have exhibited the classic signs of Calvinist teaching) or I made an honest mistake (like a mix up of who that person was, etc.). I am happy to be corrected if I said something that was not true to a person's actual beliefs.



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