Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Are you saying here that sinners are powerless to restrain the flesh (their own sin nature)?

And you also seem to be saying that if God did not begin the work of salvation, no one would be able to "begin to believe"?

Finally, who completes the salvation that God sovereignly began?

God completes salvation.

Man gives Him something to complete salvation with that becomes manifested while drawing that person.

God searches the heart of man before salvation is completed.
The drawing process has God digging (probing) for thoughts He is looking for.
Be they positive, or negative.

If the person is freely negative while being freed of guilt as a restraint? He is Condemned.
If the person is freely positive?
The Father then hands that one over to Christ, who is the embodiment of the thoughts he had been positive to.

I hope that answers your questions.
 
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God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace. Jesus Christ is the author and perfecter of my faith, which was not by my will, effort or desire.
 
This evidence is inconclusive, imo, as to these 'angels' identity as 'run of the mill' angels, seeing that Lot addressed them as "Adonai," which is conjugated in the masucline plural contrust | first person common singular (parallel with Yahweh).

What exactly are you saying? They're not angels? What is there about a "run of the mill angel" that disqualifies him as being an angel?
 
Because we don't Magenta, that is your imagining, not our position. Your constant maligning simply cannot see past it.

Should a chair congratulate itself when it is sat upon? It was designed for that very thing just as man was designed to believe the word of God and trust Him for all things. Us "free willers", as you like to denigrate us as, are simply behaving according to God's design. Those who reject God's word continually are abnormal which is why they must go on the reject heap and be thrown out.

...maligning simply refuses to learn GW that refutes tulip.
 
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As I see it, The Truth is synonymous with The Life, and so denying the Truth is by default denying The Life. So, in that sense tulipers would be right to ask how one can here if one has no spirit or *spiritual ears to hear the Spirit, then how can he hear when the Spirit speaks. But the Spirit comes to convict the world of sin and acknowledging the truth of our sin is the first step toward repentance and returning to the Lord for healing. So, I agree with @reneweddaybyday about such those that suppress the truth in unrighteousness, and no can't suppress what one doesn't actually hear, even as 'not hearing.'

I already explained how the Spirit convicts the world of right, wrong and judgement. You don't have to be spiritual to understand such issues. The Gospel is easy enough for a child to understand. God is right, we are wrong and the sentence is death ... but God has a solution for Christ to take our punishment. Believe in Him and be saved. Simple.

Grace ensures people understand. You can't accept or reject that which is not understood. God ensures people know the truth whether they are dead or alive. Whether that person accepts the truth is another matter. Even believers reject the truth as evidenced by the disagreements in this forum so being spiritually alive is no guarantee of faith.
 
I already explained how the Spirit convicts the world of right, wrong and judgement. You don't have to be spiritual to understand such issues. The Gospel is easy enough for a child to understand. God is right, we are wrong and the sentence is death ... but God has a solution for Christ to take our punishment. Believe in Him and be saved. Simple.

Grace ensures people understand. You can't accept or reject that which is not understood. God ensures people know the truth whether they are dead or alive. Whether that person accepts the truth is another matter. Even believers reject the truth as evidenced by the disagreements in this forum so being spiritually alive is no guarantee of faith.

True, which prompts me to ask: Do you think GW teaches that apostasy is impossible?
 
Can a believer forsake God? Yes. Can God forsake a believer? No.

2 Timothy 2:13
If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.

If God has made you alive with Christ you will never die again.

I agree that GW teaches God will not forsake a believer, but do you agree that these Scriptures teach a believer may revert?:

Matt. 10:22, “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”

Rom. 11:22, “Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.”

1Cor. 15:2, “By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.”

Gal. 5:4, “You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”

Col. 1:22-23, “But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.”

2Thes. 1:4-5, “Therefore, among God’s churches we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring. All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering.”

2Tim. 2:12, “If we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;”

Heb. 3:6&14, “But Christ is faithful as a son over God’s house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast… We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.”

Heb. 6:4-6, “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.” This passage indicates that apostasy may be viewed as total depravity or blasphemy against the HS (MT 12:31).

Heb. 10:26-36, “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God… So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.”

Jam. 1:12, “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”

2Pet. 1:10-11, “Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”

2Pet. 2:20, “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.”

1John 2:24-25, “See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.”

Jude 21, “Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.”

Rev. 2:10, “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.”
 
What was inconclusive?
That they are angels?
They were angels.

You want to create an argument over that?

Mem's the word.
What are you trying to say?
In plain English.

Are you saying they were only men?
"They" were Adonai, as the context shows "they" answered in unison. The Elizabethans might've called everyone Lord, but did the Hebrews call anyone other than The LORD specifically, "Adonai"? Isn't that a title exclusive to YHVH?
 
Mem's the word.

As much as @sawdust mirrors your teachings, and guards your words against my misunderstanding of them, it would appear that Genez' is her word. So, you at least you have 100 percent success in her case.

I am nobody's faithful student as much as I'd rather be considered one peer. If you see it fit continue talking down to me then I can only assume it is an invitation and that I'm welcomed to follow in kind.
 
I agree that GW teaches God will not forsake a believer, but do you agree that these Scriptures teach a believer may revert?:

Matt. 10:22, “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”

Rom. 11:22, “Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.”

1Cor. 15:2, “By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.”

Gal. 5:4, “You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”

Col. 1:22-23, “But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.”

2Thes. 1:4-5, “Therefore, among God’s churches we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring. All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering.”

2Tim. 2:12, “If we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;”

Heb. 3:6&14, “But Christ is faithful as a son over God’s house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast… We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.”

Heb. 6:4-6, “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.” This passage indicates that apostasy may be viewed as total depravity or blasphemy against the HS (MT 12:31).

Heb. 10:26-36, “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God… So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.”

Jam. 1:12, “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”

2Pet. 1:10-11, “Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”

2Pet. 2:20, “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.”

1John 2:24-25, “See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.”

Jude 21, “Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.”

Rev. 2:10, “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.”
every single verse you've posted is the lords active word and faith being expressed inside a person, every single verse you've posted is God speaking to there hearts.

What do you think theses verses are ?

Do you think there somebody knowing what to do by them selves ?
 
Because we don't Magenta, that is your imagining, not our position. Your constant maligning simply cannot see past it.
Telling us God raped Mary is something I call blaspheming God. You can look past it all you like and pretend
it has never been said, you can support the vile imaginations of people who say such things rather than admit
they were wrong, you can pretend we don't have someone telling us how unfair God is when He does what He
has promised and is something He is shown to do from Genesis to Revelation. You don't blaspheme God? Hallelujah.
I never said you did. But you are maligning. Shame on you. So typical of FWers to us their freedom to sin.
 
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Telling us God raped Mary is something I call blaspheming God. You can look past it all you like and pretend
it has never been said, you can support the vile imaginations of people who say such things rather than admit
they were wrong, you can pretend we don't have someone telling us how unfair God is when He does what He
has promised and is something He is shown to do from Genesis to Revelation. You don't blaspheme God? Hallelujah.
I never said you did. But you are maligning. Shame on you. So typical of FWers to us their freedom to sin.
I had a brief discussion about this last week with cv5

And he stated to me I must think God is rapist to, on the bases for him saying that, was because I was staying God does go against a person will.

The very fact that thought even crossed is mind is something he clearly doesn't recognise he shouldn't even be saying m.and your right people supporting him and his cruel ideas are just promoting more fouls.
 
I had a brief discussion about this last week with cv5

And he stated to me I must think God is rapist to, on the bases for him saying that,
was because I was staying God does go against a person will.

The very fact that thought even crossed is mind is something he clearly doesn't recognise he shouldn't
even be saying m.and your right people supporting him and his cruel ideas are just promoting more fouls.
Their wicked imaginations are so vile... and the way others malign is disgusting also. They will pile on
to support their comrade as if it is okay for them to say the wicked things they do, as long as they are
opposing the one who believes what the Bible actually says, and not what they want it to say.
 
Their wicked imaginations are so vile... and the way others malign is disgusting also. They will pile on
to support their comrade as if it is okay for them to say the wicked things they do, as long as they are
opposing the one who believes what the Bible actually says, and not what they want it to say.
I agree unfortunately, after being witnessing every ill remark others have had to suffer here. It's a good job I have my racing games to race after reading these disgusting remarks, as they would really get to me otherwise, but I just go into race a drive out there remarks into oblivion.

I've just got a brand new racing wheel today m, the force feed back is so high that when I turn it up to full strength it's almost pulling my arms out of my sockets lol.

These people here really need to feel full force physically I think like me, then imagine that full force to be the full force of God's word hah.

You know like when Jacob had his hip pulled out of place 😂
 
I agree that GW teaches God will not forsake a believer, but do you agree that these Scriptures teach a believer may revert?:

Matt. 10:22, “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”

Rom. 11:22, “Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.”

1Cor. 15:2, “By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.”

Gal. 5:4, “You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”

Col. 1:22-23, “But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.”

2Thes. 1:4-5, “Therefore, among God’s churches we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring. All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering.”

2Tim. 2:12, “If we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;”

Heb. 3:6&14, “But Christ is faithful as a son over God’s house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast… We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.”

Heb. 6:4-6, “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.” This passage indicates that apostasy may be viewed as total depravity or blasphemy against the HS (MT 12:31).

Heb. 10:26-36, “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God… So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.”

Jam. 1:12, “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”

2Pet. 1:10-11, “Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”

2Pet. 2:20, “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.”

1John 2:24-25, “See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.”

Jude 21, “Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.”

Rev. 2:10, “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.”

When we are unfaithful, He remains faithful. God is not mocked. He will not make one alive He knows is not a genuine believer and He promised if alive you will never die.

Salvation is not a reward, it is a gift. Rewards can be lost, but never salvation.
 
Telling us God raped Mary is something I call blaspheming God. You can look past it all you like and pretend
it has never been said, you can support the vile imaginations of people who say such things rather than admit
they were wrong, you can pretend we don't have someone telling us how unfair God is when He does what He
has promised and is something He is shown to do from Genesis to Revelation. You don't blaspheme God? Hallelujah.
I never said you did. But you are maligning. Shame on you. So typical of FWers to us their freedom to sin.

So because one person says something we all get lumped into your despicable basket do we? What makes you think I read every single post in a thread?

You're the one constantly misrepresenting what we say then calling us liars for your misrepresentation. Plus you know your use of "FWers" is used as a denigration.

You did say I blasphemed when you lumped me in with your FWer tag which you have done again in this post.

Don't pretend you're innocent when you have done more maligning than any here. Virtually every post you make is derogatory. Even someone, who made their first post to you, you couldn't help but be rude to them in your response.

You point your finger at others and fail to stop your own wagging tongue.

You are a sad case which I continue to pray for.
 
As much as @sawdust mirrors your teachings, and guards your words against my misunderstanding of them, it would appear that Genez' is her word. So, you at least you have 100 percent success in her case.

I am nobody's faithful student as much as I'd rather be considered one peer. If you see it fit continue talking down to me then I can only assume it is an invitation and that I'm welcomed to follow in kind.

That doesn't address the issue. Why do you think the two angels that visited Sodom were not angels?
 
Telling us God raped Mary is something I call blaspheming God. You can look past it all you like and pretend
it has never been said, you can support the vile imaginations of people who say such things rather than admit
they were wrong, you can pretend we don't have someone telling us how unfair God is when He does what He
has promised and is something He is shown to do from Genesis to Revelation. You don't blaspheme God? Hallelujah.
I never said you did. But you are maligning. Shame on you. So typical of FWers to us their freedom to sin.
That is your version of an event.
 
So because one person says something we all get lumped into your despicable basket do we? What makes you think I read every single post in a thread?

You're the one constantly misrepresenting what we say then calling us liars for your misrepresentation. Plus you know your use of "FWers" is used as a denigration.

You did say I blasphemed when you lumped me in with your FWer tag which you have done again in this post.

Don't pretend you're innocent when you have done more maligning than any here. Virtually every post you make is derogatory. Even someone, who made their first post to you, you couldn't help but be rude to them in your response.

You point your finger at others and fail to stop your own wagging tongue.

You are a sad case which I continue to pray for.
if the shoe fits ware it comes to mind for you, I don't like to say such things to you,.but i can think of one very disturbing remark you gave to me, which was after you read my post which was mainly about how God guides people by for-knowing , you chose to see that as God being a dictator.

Very disturbing