Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Magenta said:
Notice that our being saved has nothing to do with anything we have done. It is all due to God's
own purpose and grace... those very things we have been told are "no good reason" by free willers.

I wonder how these free willers feel so at ease to so frequently and easily blaspheme God.
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Because we don't Magenta, that is your imagining, not our position. Your constant maligning simply cannot see past it.

Should a chair congratulate itself when it is sat upon? It was designed for that very thing just as man was designed to believe the word of God and trust Him for all things. Us "free willers", as you like to denigrate us as, are simply behaving according to God's design. Those who reject God's word continually are abnormal which is why they must go on the reject heap and be thrown out.
 
Rufus said:
So the Living Word of God and the ministry of the Holy Spirit isn't cutting it for Cam, heh? He needs to find good teachers to set him straight?

You're so in love with the sons of men who are utterly untrustworthy! Why aren't you pointing people to the only trustworthy Book we have in the entire universe -- the only Source of all Truth!?
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Well? If you think you can do it with just you and your Bible?
Having no need for a Bible teacher?

Maybe you can.
Let's see you do it.
Prove yourself right.

Here is something simple enough.
Let's see how you and your Bible will do it.

What was Satan's objective, as found in Matthew 4:3?

The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”​
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What was Satan's objective in his temptation?
 
sawdust said:
But you still can't take a hint. You continue to open your mouth and share your thoughts with me. You need to learn and keep your word and not share like you said you would.

Christ keeps His word and we must learn to do the same. (y)
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I haven't seen any sincere remark from you, to ask me to share with any manners for a long time, and everything I have shared with you, you've twisted several times.

its a common theme between genez cv5 and yourself to just be disrespectful, you really need to be careful whom you choose to be friends with, as the people you are friends with are not your friend, there not even a friend to themselves.
 
Kroogz said:
This is a key point for us believers to master.

God does love all of mankind. It is an impersonal, unconditional love for all of mankind...Agape love. John 3:16. It is a virtue of God.

God loves based upon who and what He is, not based upon who and what we are. As believers, He has a personal love for us. Based upon who and what we are....Christ in us.

As we develop our personal love for God( Bible doctrine, study,study study.) We will eventually have this impersonal and unconditional love for all of mankind. This is KEY in our spiritual growth. And how we will come to realize that we should love as He loves.

A couple of links below if interested.

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Personal and Impersonal Love (2016)
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Lies, lies and more lies. Don't you know that the epicenter to God's love is moral in nature? And this means he cannot love what is evil, including evil hearts! See Lev 26:30; Deut 25:16; Job 12:21-22; Ps 5:5-6; 11:5; 15:1-5; 31:6; 45:7; 73:18-20; 95:10-11; 101:3; Prov 3:32; 6:16-19; 11:20; 2Chron 19:2; Isa 41:22-24; Jer 12:8; Lam 2:6-7; Hos 9:15; Nah 1:14; Dan 12:2; Rom 9:13

And God's love is anything but unconditional. God loves only his covenant people who are righteous, believers, God-fearers, humble, and those who love Him and obey Him.

I'll believe my Lord and Savior over you any day!

John 10:17
17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life — only to take it up again.
NIV

John 14:21, 23
21 Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him....23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
NIV

John 15:10
10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.
NIV

John 16:27
27 No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.
NIV

If God's love were unconditional in nature then it would be impossible for Him to love anyone for any reason found within them.
 
Jordon said:
I haven't seen any sincere remark from you, to ask me to share with any manners for a long time, and everything I have shared with you, you've twisted several times.

its a common theme between genez cv5 and yourself to just be disrespectful, you really need to be careful whom you choose to be friends with, as the people you are friends with are not your friend, there not even a friend to themselves.
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You really cannot help yourself can you. :ROFL:

You said you would not share anymore. I have never asked you to share.

Jordon said:
You've got an answer for everything, so no I won't share with you.
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Guess I'll do it for you then. :)

Bye <wave>
 
reneweddaybyday said:
They hid from God in Gen 3:10 ... which was prior to God having given the promise of Messiah.

The promise of Messiah promised by God was spoken in Gen 3:15.





I agree God expelled Adam and Eve from the garden. I do not believe Adam was the spawn of satan as you do. I believe both Adam and Eve believed God's promise of Messiah in Gen 3:15, God made sacrifice/offering for the sin of both Adam and Eve, and God covered the shame of both Adam and Eve.





here's the verse:

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

The word "love" in John 14:23 is translated from the Greek word agapáō. Here are some verses from 1 John in which the word is agapáō used:

1 John 4:7-5:3

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

19 We love him, because he first loved us.

20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
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That's nice. Now tell me what YOU believe biblical love is. Define it for me in your own words.
 
Mem said:
The only one I've ever heard that had "come in the flesh" is Jesus.
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In human flesh. Yes.

Angels have a different kind of flesh when materialized.
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1 Cor 15:39-40​
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All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. ​
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Genesis 18? Who were they three mentioned?
 
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sawdust said:
You really cannot help yourself can you. :ROFL:

You said you would not share anymore. I have never asked you to share.



Guess I'll do it for you then. :)

Bye <wave>
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No you won't ask to people to share whom your in disagreement with either, because your to busy having an answer for everything.
 
Genez said:
Well? If you think you can do it with just you and your Bible?
Having no need for a Bible teacher?

Maybe you can.
Let's see you do it.
Prove yourself right.

Here is something simple enough.
Let's see how you and your Bible will do it.

What was Satan's objective, as found in Matthew 4:3?

The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”​
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What was Satan's objective in his temptation?
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You have chutzpah, I give you that. You need to answer my three questions first that I asked in 19,980 and 19, 987
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Rufus said:
Correct! I'm boasting in the One who did it all! I did not save myself or contribute anything to God's rescuing, redemptive grace.
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I did not save myself. That is where you get screwy.
I did not do anything to become saved.

God found me (while under His grace to control my sin nature) to be simply normal in my response to Him while drawing me.

You give a thirsty man a glass of water.
Do you save him because he drinks it?
What merit would there be in drinking it?
He was simply being normal.

Now, give an evil person also a glass of water.
He would refuse it, because he sees you as evil and trying to poison him.

Ironically, it is what the unbeliever does that causes God not to save him.
 
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Rufus said:
You have chutzpah, I give you that. You need to answer my three questions first that I asked in 19,980 and 19, 987
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You were the one who made the point that we need no human teachers from God.
Not me....

My reason for asking, and your reason?
Apples and oranges.
 
Rufus said:
Better yet...take up RDBD's slack and answer the the question I asked her. I could sum up godly love in a sentence or two. How 'bout you?
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But, you can not express it.
That is the problem with you.

What you do is perverse.
It is like a queer marriage counselor advising heterosexual couples.

You can not teach by example.

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Genez said:
So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. “Quick,” he said, “get three seahs of the finest flour and knead it and bake some bread.”Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare it. He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree. Genesis 18:6-8
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Were these referred to as angels?
 
Mem said:
Were these referred to as angels?
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If you read more in that chapter, you will discover that two of them split off and went to Sodom for its destruction.

Even the men of Sodom thought they were human men.
But we know from the account that they were actually angels.

Read Genesis 19:1-8.

They looked just like human men.
 
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