Agreed, that verse carries ALL the truth to denounce totally >>>> particular special selection.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Agreed, that verse carries ALL the truth to denounce totally >>>> particular special selection.
No kidding. Free will is nowhere taught in the Bible. You have been deceived and love your deception more than the truth of Scripture which states man believes with his heart. Man's heart is incurably wicked until changed by God. You love your deception more than the truth of Scripture which states man is a slave to sin until set free by Jesus. You love your deception more than the truth of Scripture which states man refuses to come into the light, hates the light, is a lover of darkness, defined as darkness itself, who is incapable of receiving/accepting and/or comprehending the spiritual things of God, which he is inherently opposed to. You love your vain self-exalting deception more than the truth of Scripture which states man cannot come to God on his own, does not seek for God, cannot submit to or obey God, is blinded by Satan, and nothing good dwells in his flesh which cannot please God, but you choose to believe the unregenerated man can please God by growing the good fruit of faith by an act of his will from his heart which needs replacing.
I don't believe faith is given to the selected, which you well know.
Have you ever received a thorn in the flesh? Was it specifically for you? Paul says he did.
Good grief no. Not didomi......
And yes, there is a big difference between "give freely" and Calvinistic "stuffing it down your throat whether you like it or not".
For to you it has been granted ἐχαρίσθη
(echaristhē)5483: to show favor, give freely from charis
5483 [e] ἐχαρίσθη
echaristhē
Phl 1:29
For unto you it is given G5483 in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
In the TULIP doctrine does Total depravity translate into Total inability and does it persist after a person receives the holy spirit?
Yes, Salvation is in view since belief is not just a one-time, done deal act but is a continuous, ongoing way of a sanctified life. Paul wasn't writing to people who at one time believed in the past (although they certainly did at past point in time) but is writing to people who currently believe -- right in the here and now.
Your argument is that All people who are directly gifted the same saving faith (as per your assertion) are directly gifted the same suffering.
If there is particular faith that is bequeathed that saves, since the verb belongs to both, then there is the same direct suffering to all people who were gifted the same faith.
If you cannot see the how flawed this interpretation is well that is on you.
Done.
It translates into all the faculties of the human heart are corrupt/depraved in the quantitative sense.
And, no, Total Depravity is broken upon the new birth since the central purpose of salvation is to break the irresistible power of sin in unregenerate souls.
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One might think this is widely understood within Christendom. Apparently not.
Jesus Christ was revealed to destroy the works of the devil..
One might think this is widely understood within Christendom. Apparently not.
Done, done, you keep saying you are done, but then you persist, ah! It
is because you are invested. Haha. Even though you lied about that too.
@Genez has very distinctly and very succinctly explained this numerous times. And @Magenta I am not trying to goad you or insult you.
It is a freed will that God deals with.......by His Grace and word.( most of us just call it freewill)
HEB 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
I Agree with you and mankinds problem. We are depraved. None seek God.......In and of ourselves. The Bible is clear on this.
But He sent us ALL a solution to that problem.........The Lord Jesus Christ, His Grace and His word.
The solution to your problem is the solution for all of mankind.
Not for ours only, but for the whole world.
That's not my argument. That's an argument you came up with for me. My argument is that both faith and suffering are given.
LOL, I like lamb!
Beyond belief the lengths people travel to defend a non-biblical system.
Kamakizi pilots flew planes into battleships.
Muslims flew into the Twin Towers.
Just be glad that these guys can not get off of the ground with their evil reasoning.
TULIP was an attempt by Satan to paint a giant red nose on the Integrity of God.
False teaching, no matter how bad, will always find its followers. Why?
For there will be a time when they will not endure sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a
great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to
hear to suit themselves.
2 Timothy 4:3
She loves to misrepresent. Like many of the FWers here...
"Beyond belief the lengths people travel to defend a non-biblical system."
Young man...
It’s been given you to serve your nation.
Now choose if you will serve in the defense of your country.
Yes I need to reconcile myself to this, but TULIP impugns the character of God and creates a different god, probably why it so hard to take.
Appreciate the reminder.
As per usual, you did not deal with the verb and you do not want to deal with the logical implications of your position to see if it can stand a stress test.
It fails on both counts.
But the narrative itself does not support your theory for either A or E! First comes the divine decree. Then the divine provision. The biblical evidence for Eve's faith came much later for her. The biblical evidence for Adam's faith is ZERO! Adam simply understood the spiritual implications behind God's decree concerning Eve.
As stated earlier, if either one of our first parents were true blue believers, they would not have run FROM God, but would have run TO him to SEEK forgiveness. Believers don't run away from God like apostates do.
Again, do a word study on the Heb term that is rendered "drove" in Gen 3:24 and tell me how many times that word is used with reference to believers. Did Jesus drive away Peter when he dared to question God's purpose for Jesus' life and Jesus rebuked him sharply with "Get thee behind me, Satan"? Or, again, did Jesus drive Peter away knowing that he would deny his Lord three times?
One more thing...in some earlier post you had asked me if I loved Jesus if you recall? But before I answer, you'll have to define what YOU mean by "love".