Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[HeIsHere]

You wouldn't be interested even if I told you, tulip has diseased you.

It is a very typical response to state a person who rejects TULIP does not understand TULIP, actually I think it is quite the opposite, the

person who rejects TULIP understands it all too well and see it for what is it is >>>> not of God.

 

[Rufus]

I know what is stated in Romans 1:16-19

Romans 1:16-19

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Those who believe the gospel of Christ receive the blessing.

Those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness receive the consequence.

You and rogerg can stick with your "God saved me through Jesus Christ by His mercy and grace alone" ... I'll stick with what God says.
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In other words you will stick with the man-made, false gospel that is transactional in nature. That way you and other FWers can boast in the part your powerful "freewill" made, which freed God up to live up to his part of the quid pro quo salvation bargain.

 

[Cameron143]

In the Reformed view saving faith is a deliberate act of god to particular individuals something they previously did not have.
So now you are stuck also asserting that Paul is stating the suffering is being given directly, individually, equally.

Well for one reality does not support this because there have been many Christians who have not suffered like the first century Christians, but we can put that aside because your view is a complete failure with proper exegesis and by looking at the original verbiage.

Is persecution given to each believer as gift along with the gift of faith... NO!!

As I already stated, Paul with a brilliant mind who was not from the Reformed school of thought, used the word "charizomai" NOT "didomi" which is direct giving.

Charizomai means granted/freely given. See 1 Cor 2:12.
As in the sunlight is freely given NOT a deliberate act to particular individuals.

As well, we also know they Paul was writing to the Gentiles in Philippi, so Paul being brilliant is explaining to them the implication that as a group they have been brought into the faith but this also means that as a group there will be suffering.

Here it is captured better....

29 For you have been given not only the privilege of trusting in Christ but also the privilege of suffering for him.
New Living Translation

And never has it more true ...... #contextkillscalvinism!!!

I've already established that suffering is part and parcel of being in Christ. And I've already established that God is one cause of the suffering. Nothing you have shared changes any of that.
I get it. There is another passage in scripture that refutes your views so you do anything to maintain your views rather than allow scripture to say what it clearly says.

 

[Genez]

But this isn't the case with Philippians 1:29. It says God gives the suffering.

Exactly....

For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him."​

That's why I will accept what you and your kin dish out here.
It's training. Jesus faced the same thing.

There was no better teacher than Jesus, yet some always found some way to deny what was said.

Not just Jesus.
But every good teacher we find in the Bible who faced the same kind of painful resistive insanity.

Now, do your part.
Put a smile on your face! And deny.

Or? Act like you agree, while you remain in smily face denial.

You are a product of your free will.
Your choices determine what kind of lump the potter finds you to be molded into.

Some of us here are going to make it to super grace.

Keep in mind.
God wastes nothing.
Even the wasted are not wasted.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

What I think about when I read TULIP

 

[Magenta]

In the Reformed view saving faith is a deliberate act of god to particular individuals something they previously did not have.
So now you are stuck also asserting that Paul is stating the suffering is being given directly, individually, equally.

Where is it stated that suffering is equally given? You misrepresent Cam and Scripture, again. And again. And again. You revel in such.

Of course in your false theology God must do everything exactly the same from one person to the next or He is unfair.

You are just like your buddy who would rather blaspheme God than admit you are wrong, even when Scripture clearly refutes you.

 

[Genez]

Neither one of you have appreciated anything said in this thread, because your both to busy being obsessed with this tulip and this Calvinism thing.

Your both clearly obsessed with it for the wrong reasons, so much so your both rejecting scripture after scripture,

The devil has you both where he wants you,


Timothy Charged to Oppose False Teachers
3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith.

Advancing Gods work is by his faith, that he gives to people, you don't advance his work by wrongly accusing people, neither do you advance his work by wrongly disagreeing with scripture.

The faith that he gives to people holds his permissive will within the faith he gives you


This is why his faith here teaches not to persist in imaginary babblings,

Which is what you've both been doing everyday here and have done for far to long, despite being told otherwise you still both persist, using every word of God to oppose bad readings of a tulip doctrine that the people your accusing on a daily bases are not doing what your accusing them of. People who have miss used tulip are probably by people like yourselves who will not listen.

Despite being told over and over again to stop you two along with cv5 and heishere have continued to hate every good word spoken by good people here,. on the bases you have down as this evil calvinistic person.

You are all really totally disrespectful

You have no idea what is going on here.

 

[Genez]

What I think about when I read TULIP

No idea what TULIP means in theology?

So why are you here?

 

[Cameron143]

Exactly....

For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him."​

That's why I will accept what you and your kin dish out here.
It's training. Jesus faced the same thing.

There was no better teacher than Jesus, yet some always found some way to deny what was said.

Not just Jesus.
But every good teacher we find in the Bible who faced the same kind of painful resistive insanity.

Now, do your part.
Put a smile on your face! And deny.

Or? Act like you agree, while you remain in smily face denial.

You are a product of your free will.
Your choices determine what kind of lump the potter finds you to be molded into.

Some of us here are going to make it to super grace.

Keep in mind.
God wastes nothing.
Even the wasted are not wasted.

Great. If we agree that God gives the suffering, we can agree that God also gives the believing.

 

[Genez]

You wouldn't be interested even if I told you, tulip has diseased you.

You don't really know.

Why are you here if you can not contribute with understanding?

 

[Genez]

Great. If we agree that God gives the suffering, we can agree that God also gives the believing.

Door Dash just knocked on my door.

............. "Hello! More suffering from Cameron."

What? I did not order it.

Go away Cameron. You don't live here.

You and your other drones only exist as a programmed entity.

TULIP in not better than "One."

 

[Cameron143]

Door Dash just knocked on my door.

............. "Hello! More suffering from Cameron."

What? I did not order it.

Go away Cameron. You don't live here.

You and your other drones only exist as a programmed entity.

If responding to posts is causing you so much distress, just imagine the suffering you have caused.

 

[Genez]

If responding to posts is causing you so much distress, just imagine the suffering you have caused.

Like I said...

God wastes noting. Even the wasted.

There are others here, though, who will benefit when we exercise our faith.
We lift dumb-bells where we find them.

 

[HeIsHere]

I've already established that suffering is part and parcel of being in Christ. And I've already established that God is one cause of the suffering. Nothing you have shared changes any of that.
I get it. There is another passage in scripture that refutes your views so you do anything to maintain your views rather than allow scripture to say what it clearly says.

You have no rebuttal then, no comment regarding Paul's verbiage and the meaning of didomi and "charizomai" in context of other verses.

You think suffering is given the way you assert faith is given to the selected, so ridiculous.

Figures.

 

[Genez]

You have no rebuttal then, no comment regarding Paul's verbiage and the meaning of didomi and "charizomai" in context of other verses.

You think suffering is given the way you assert faith is given to each person, so ridiculous.

Figures.

Would you like a little salad on the side with that?
I smell the fresh lamb is ready and coming from the kitchen soon...

 

[HeIsHere]

Would you like a little salad on the side with that?
I smell the fresh lamb is ready and coming from the kitchen soon...

LOL, I like lamb!

Beyond belief the lengths people travel to defend a non-biblical system.

 

[Kroogz]

Like I said...

God wastes noting. Even the wasted.

There are others here, though, who will benefit when we exercise our faith.
We lift dumb-bells where we find them.

In all honesty, we cannot go beyond John 3:16 on this thread.
The Lord Jesus Christ died for all. Sin is paid in full for each and every individual who has ever lived.

This truth has to be locked and loaded in our repertoire. We are consistently and constantly "in the weeds" because this truth is being denied. One cannot go beyond the starting line if the starting line is unknown or being denied.

 

[Magenta]

1325. didómi

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Lexical Summary
didómi: To give, to grant, to bestow
Original Word: δίδωμι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: didómi
Pronunciation: dee'-do-mee
Phonetic Spelling: (did'-o-mee)
KJV: adventure, bestow, bring forth, commit, deliver (up), give, grant, hinder, make, minister, number, offer, have
power, put, receive, set, shew, smite (+ with the hand), strike (+ with the palm of the hand), suffer, take, utter, yield
NASB: give, given, gave, grant, gives, giving, granted
Word Origin: [a prolonged form of a primary verb]

1. to give

 

[Rufus]

In case you missed it...

I said...

" Jesus Christ is God, being man centered. "

You failed to grasp the importance of what was said, and went off on another triggered rant of yours.

But how could the incarnate Christ be man-centered since he was equally and fully and totally divine and human at once?

You didn't like my first reply because it revealed the Achilles' heel to FWT which is: It's a man-exalting, man-honoring, man-glorifying theology. But Jesus didn't come into this world to glorify mankind! He came into this world to do the works his Father had ordained for Him to do and thereby glorify his Father!

Btw, I'm still waiting on an answer to your lame objection that if the Doctrines of Grace were true, God would be showing favoritism to sinners. I'm dying to know what the basis for such partiality would be, since all humanity is sinful.

 

[Cameron143]

Like I said...

God wastes noting. Even the wasted.

There are others here, though, who will benefit when we exercise our faith.
We lift dumb-bells where we find them.

More gobbledygook.