Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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The tyrannical effect that God disrupts with salvation grace is to have the Holy Spirit
clamp down the will of the flesh to allow the soul who was made free from the flesh, to make a choice.
Is that where we are given a new heart? Because a heart of stone does not seek God in any way.
 
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Is that where we are given a new heart? Because a heart of stone does not seek God in any way.
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Deuteronomy 30 v 6~ The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love Him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live. :)
 
Is that where we are given a new heart? Because a heart of stone does not seek God in any way.

Proverbs 23:7a

'For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he.'

Heart speaks of the thinking in a man that reveals who he really is.
The deepest inner part of a man's thinking.

Satan said in "his heart" that he would make himself to be as the Most High.

The new heart comes from regeneration making it possible to think with spiritual realities that had been impossible to think with prior to regeneration.
 
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Could you please give the meaning for its specific use?
Don't have time right now. But the Greek terms in context have already been scrupulous scrutinized to an extraordinary degree of conclusive confidence. Please do a search on this thread.

And guess what? The Calvinists RECEIVED NOT this correct accurate teaching......:rolleyes:
 
Judas was part of God's plan. He left the upper room because Jesus told him to go and do what he must do.
Judas had his own plan. It failed. Cuz, you know, God is omniscient and all....

But yea, no Calvinists that I have ever encountered has the slightest idea of the dynamics and purposes of Judas and what is actually going down there.

Due to..... drumroll:
Devastating biblical illiteracy.
 
Judas had his own plan. It failed. Cuz, you know, God is omniscient and all....

But yea, no Calvinists that I have ever encountered has the slightest idea of the dynamics and purposes of Judas and what is actually going down there.

Due to..... drumroll:
Devastating biblical illiteracy.
Let it out. Let it alllll out. :giggle:
 
In context:
These spiritual truths would certainly have been understood IF they were received.

Such as those who did receive of verse 12.

But you must understand the specific Greek term for receive. Afterwards the correct interpretation is sure.

Found the following online from notes of a congregation member.

14a~~Howbeit [de]
the "psuchikos man"/"soul-ish man"
[psuchikos - the breath/"immaterial substance" that men
have in common with animals - a unbeliever with only a soul]
absolutely does not [ouk]
"receive to himself"/accept
[dechomai - Present middle indicative]
the things of the Spirit of God [ho pneuma Theos].

14b~~For [gar] they are foolishness to him. [moria autos]

14c~~And [kai] he absolutely is not [ouk]
able/"has received the power himself" [dunamai - middle passive indicative]
to obtain knowledge [ginosko - aorist active infinitive]
[of spiritual matters - "Divine Viewpoint type wisdom"] . . .
because [hoti] they are discerned/determined/examined/judged [anakrino]
from the source of the spirit [pneumatikos].

{Perceptive ability of the spirit filled person}
15a~~Howbeit [de] he that is spiritual [pneumatikos]
truly discerns [men anakrino]
'The all things'. [pas]
[spiritual matters - the things of God - Doctrine
"Divine Viewpoint thinking/wisdom]

15b~~Howbeit [de] he himself [autos] is judged [anakrino - present passive indicative]
by/under [hupo] no one [oudeis].

[Note; Means that someone without Divine Viewpoint thinking is equipped to judge someone with Divine Viewpoint thinking. This becomes important particularly since apparently believers of the day were taking disputes to the courts and were being judged by potentially by unbelievers.]
 
Found the following online from notes of a congregation member.

14a~~Howbeit [de]
the "psuchikos man"/"soul-ish man"
[psuchikos - the breath/"immaterial substance" that men
have in common with animals - a unbeliever with only a soul]
absolutely does not [ouk]
"receive to himself"/accept
[dechomai - Present middle indicative]
the things of the Spirit of God [ho pneuma Theos].

14b~~For [gar] they are foolishness to him. [moria autos]

14c~~And [kai] he absolutely is not [ouk]
able/"has received the power himself" [dunamai - middle passive indicative]
to obtain knowledge [ginosko - aorist active infinitive]
[of spiritual matters - "Divine Viewpoint type wisdom"] . . .
because [hoti] they are discerned/determined/examined/judged [anakrino]
from the source of the spirit [pneumatikos].

{Perceptive ability of the spirit filled person}
15a~~Howbeit [de] he that is spiritual [pneumatikos]
truly discerns [men anakrino]
'The all things'. [pas]
[spiritual matters - the things of God - Doctrine
"Divine Viewpoint thinking/wisdom]

15b~~Howbeit [de] he himself [autos] is judged [anakrino - present passive indicative]
by/under [hupo] no one [oudeis].

[Note; Means that someone without Divine Viewpoint thinking is equipped to judge someone with Divine Viewpoint thinking. This becomes important particularly since apparently believers of the day were taking disputes to the courts and were being judged by potentially by unbelievers.]
I was a lot more animated back in those days lol.

https://christianchat.com/threads/why-do-some-people-believe-and-some-do-not.217577/post-5432271

https://christianchat.com/threads/understanding-god’s-election.216907/post-5432208
 
Still wrong. :giggle:

By the by, I'm not a Calvinist.:) Please make a note of it.
Actually it was another no-hitter/wipeout/trouncing suffered by the determinists/Calvinists.

It wasn't even close. And it never is.

In fact it seems that Calvinists perpetually losing is a universal law that cannot be violated. But then again this is to be expected.

BTW you are on iggy. You really do not have much to offer other than denials and recalcitrance. Sorry.
 
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Judas had his own plan. It failed. Cuz, you know, God is omniscient and all....

But yea, no Calvinists that I have ever encountered has the slightest idea of the dynamics and purposes of Judas and what is actually going down there.

Due to..... drumroll:
Devastating biblical illiteracy.

Judas Iscariot was possibly a member of the Jewish group called the Sicarii (dagger men), who assassinated people they felt stood in their way of throwing off Roman rule. So I guess when he realized Jesus wasn't interested in that, he betrayed him to the Sanhedrin, whom he possibly thought would have a talk with him to persuade him to get with the plan. That could explain his later remorse when he realized they wanted to kill him.

In Acts 21:38, the Roman soldier assumed Paul was affiliated with the Sicarii .

Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers (σικάριος)? Acts 21:38
G4607 σικάριος sikarios (siy-ka'-riy-os) n.
an assassin.
 
Actually it was another no-hitter/wipeout/trouncing suffered by the determinists/Calvinists.

It wasn't even close. And it never is.

In fact it seems that Calvinists perpetually losing is a universal law that cannot be violated. But then again this is to be expected.

BTW you are on iggy. You really do not have much to offer other than denials and recalcitrance. Sorry.
Proverbs 23:7a
'For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he.'
 
Judas Iscariot was possibly a member of the Jewish group called the Sicarii (dagger men), who assassinated people they felt stood in their way of throwing off Roman rule. So I guess when he realized Jesus wasn't interested in that, he betrayed him to the Sanhedrin, whom he possibly thought would have a talk with him to persuade him to get with the plan. That could explain his later remorse when he realized they wanted to kill him.

In Acts 21:38, the Roman soldier assumed Paul was affiliated with the Sicarii .

Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers (σικάριος)? Acts 21:38
G4607 σικάριος sikarios (siy-ka'-riy-os) n.
an assassin.
I refer you to pastor Stephen A. Chronister for all the right answers regarding Judas.

And believe me it's gonna take a while. Months and years.
 
No verse tells us that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God either.
God spoke to Abraham ... that is God's Word ... we know Abraham heard because Abraham obeyed and left Haran.

so when you claim Abraham was born again when he believed and obeyed God in Gen 12 ... basically, that is salvation by works.

What Abraham did not believe in Gen 12 ... but what Abraham finally believed in Gen 15 ... was God's promise of an heir from Abraham's bowels ... which was salvation by faith.

Romans 4:18-22 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb: He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.




Cameron143 said:
No verse says that the natural man doesn't receive the things of God either. But both those things were always true. They didn't become true at the time they were written.
Abraham believed and left Haran when he was a natural man. He travelled for years before he finally believed the promise of God concerning the heir who would come from his own bowels ... that was when righteousness was imputed to him.

Genesis 12:1-2 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing

Abraham believed the "get thee out of thy country" ... Abraham did not believe the "I will make of thee a great nation" yet.


Genesis 13:14-17 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.

Abraham believed the promise of the land ... he walked through the land as instructed ... Abraham did not believe the "I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth" yet.


Genesis 15:1-6 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Here is where Abraham finally believed God and God imputed righteousness to him. Prior to this time, Abraham believed some of what God told him ... but righteousness was not imputed to Abraham until this point in Gen 15.

iow ... as a natural man, Abraham believed some of what God told him and as a natural man he obeyed some of what God told him.

As I said in Post 18,798, Gen 15:6 is the first use of the words "'āman = believed" ... "ḥāšaḇ = counted" ... "ṣᵊḏāqâ = righteousness"

"There is much truth in Gen 15:6 ... some consider that NT writings overrule OT writings. However, sometimes considering the first use of words or concepts in Scripture reveals that what is revealed in NT is carried over from OT to NT ... i.e. there is no change in facts/circumstances between OT and NT. NT believers believe in the same God OT believers believed in. NT believers believe in the same Messiah OT believers believed in."




Cameron143 said:
Again, the Bible is a book that gives progressive revelation. Truth is true whether it is revealed or not.
Lots of people in our day and time believe some truth in Scripture but they are not born again. It is belief in the gospel of Christ, which is the power of God unto salvation ... belief in the gospel of Christ is the means by which natural man is born again. The gospel was first spoken in Gen 3:15 and God's clarion call has continued from that day to now and into the future.

God's Word is a living Word. If God's Word is rejected, it does not change God's Word from being a living Word to a not living Word ... it just does not result in the increase God promises if/when His Word is believed.

Look at Gen 4 ... when God spoke to Cain. Cain rejected what God told him in Gen 4:7. Cain did not overcome sin and the results were disastrous for Abel and for Cain ... but God did not lie to Cain when He told Cain he would be accepted if he did well. Cain choosing not to believe God does not make the statement false ... nor does it mean God had withheld something from Cain so there was no possibility for Cain to be accepted. Cain rejected God ... rejected God's Word ... and there was no increase to Cain so Cain succumbed to sin.
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What other option is there since there is no third seed mentioned in Gen 3:15?
the one you deny ... that both Adam and Eve believed the gospel set forth in Gen 3:15 ... which is why God made sacrifice for the sin of both Adam and Eve ... and why God made coats of skins and clothed them.

The confession for their sin by both Adam and Eve to the faithful God Who forgives confessed sin resulted in God cleansing Adam and Eve from unrighteousness ... just as what occurs in our day and time (1 John 1:9).

The sacrifice of the animal which provided the skin for the coats was sufficient ... unless you believe God's offering was somehow not sufficient???

The coats of skin covered their shame.

Your complete misinterpretation of these early chapters in Genesis results in error upon error on your part.
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A great example of this can be seen with the passage they quote from Gen 4 whereby the WOMAN ALONE acknowledged God and credited Him for giving her a son; yet, the site carelessly also gave credit to Adam also! But where is Adam in the text, save for the fact that he obviously did have intimate relations with Eve to proreate their first offspring?
interestingly enough, where is "the WOMAN" in Genesis 5 where we read ...

Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth

Seth is also mentioned in the genealogy of the Lord Jesus Christ in Luke 3.
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P.S. One more thing: Gen 3:15 talks about Eve's DOWNLINE spiritual descendants -- descendants that proceed from her godly line, such as the promised Messiah. But Adam never proceeded from Eve.
Genesis 3:15 does not speak of "Eve's DOWNLINE spiritual descendants" (plural).

Genesis 3:15 speaks of only One seed of the woman ... the seed of the woman is the Lord Jesus Christ Himself ... the Messiah ... the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world ... the Lord Jesus Christ does not share His victory over satan with any other. He crushed the head of the serpent ... no other descendant of either Adam or Eve is to be included in the complete victory over satan.
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God sovereignly, by means of His Justice, has made choice an issue!

You seem to think God is going to do whatever He wants no matter what others are doing.
God's Sovereignty PROTECTS freedom and liberty!

It has gotten to this point.

You are so brainwashed,
............ I will say what is true,
.............................................but not said for you!
Brainwashing happens!

God's Sovereignty desires and PROTECTS freedom and liberty!

God demands justice from his people.

Justice requires CHOICE!

And, you have made your choice.
To ignore whatever gets in your way of what you want others to believe.

You are a disrupter.
Not, a contributor.

Because?

You are brainwashed by dogma.
Is there such a thing as a little bit Sovereign?
Psalm 115:3
Our God is in heaven;
he does whatever pleases him.

Psalm 135:6
The Lord does whatever pleases him,
in the heavens and on the earth,
in the seas and all their depths.

Isaiah 45:7
I form light, I create darkness;
I make well-being, I create woe;
I, Adonai, do all these things.
 
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