Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Jesus' words in Matthew 13 v 11-13 (Mark 4 v 11-12; Luke 8 v 10) Prophecy of Isaiah 6 v 9 Fulfilled ~
The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’
Isaiah 6 verses 9-10, Luke 8 verse 10, (Matthew 13 verses 14-15, Mark 4 verse 12, Romans 11 verse 8, John 12 verses 39-40, Acts 28 verses 26-27, Ezekiel 12 verse 2, Jeremiah 5 verse 21, Deuteronomy 29 verse 4, Psalm 115 verses 4-8, Psalm 135 verses 15-18) ~ The voice of the Lord said: “Go and tell this people, ‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’ Make the hearts of this people calloused; deafen their ears and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.” The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, ‘though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.’
Matthew13-13-15 Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do You speak to the people in parables?” He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’ In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.’”
For the record, I actually support Gotquestions.org in more ways than one; however, I don't agree with everything they write. They're dead wrong on Adam because their exegesis is seriously flawed. A great example of this can be seen with the passage they quote from Gen 4 whereby the WOMAN ALONE acknowledged God and credited Him for giving her a son; yet, the site carelessly also gave credit to Adam also! But where is Adam in the text, save for the fact that he obviously did have intimate relations with Eve to proreate their first offspring?
Perhaps you can answer the question: To whose seed (serpent's or the woman's) did God consign Adam?
BTW little buddy, it IS certainly possible to OVERCOME and escape the prison of false doctrine.
By fighting and learning with great tenacity and effort.
Which I have successfully accomplished.
[Jer 29:13 KJV] 13 And ye shall seek me, and find [me], when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Enjoy your 6 X 8 cell buddy.
The Holy Spirit is here standing ready to help and teach and guide ALL THOSE who ASK Him.
Sounds like this Piled High & Dry teacher could have been mentored by the infamous Word Salad Specialist -- good ol' Kamala.
No, because you think God created them that way. They freely chose according to their evil nature. I mean...God created angels who would sin against him ...and He made no salvific remedy for them. And besides...why do you even care? God is glorified with the righteous and unrighteous alike! Even the wrath of man is to the praise of God!
But Paul didn't say that in Rom 9! This is how you exegete passages: Just arbitrarily impose irrelevant texts onto a passage because you cannot allow the force of a specific passage upset your heretical apple cart? You would have Paul contradict other portions of scripture after he makes the very explicit point that divine election has nothing to do with man's choices?
The two above passages have nothing to do with election.
"No, because you think God created them that way."
False. I never said that. Ever. But you have several times.
Soooo that would be 2 lies compound together. Satan lies a lot too.
Rots of ruck and happy landings @Rufus buddy. Believe me you're gonna need it.
But God's omniscience doesn't acquire knowledge. An omniscient God does not have to learn anything his creation. Furthermore, I have already proved that foreknowledge speaks to divine prerogative, not his prescience. Act 2:23 alone makes this abundantly clear -- "plan and foreknowledge" -- in this logical the biblical order.
It has been said many, many times .. grace always initiates.
Get the story right.
But in FWT it never effectuates salvation, since man's "freewill" does.