Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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So when you add information to what I post, you are positively contributing to the discussion. When I do the exact same thing, I am playing around. Hmmmm.

You are not right about many things.
As long as you hand around others with the same problem, you will not feel a need to change.
 
You are not right about many things.
As long as you hand around others with the same problem, you will not feel a need to change.
There are at least 3 notable characteristics of godly teachers:
...like Jesus, they begin first to do, and then to teach...
...they speak as someone having authority...
...the exercise discernment...

How do you think you are doing in these areas?
 
There are at least 3 notable characteristics of godly teachers:
...like Jesus, they begin first to do, and then to teach...
...they speak as someone having authority...
...the exercise discernment...

How do you think you are doing in these areas?

You're still wasting time.
 
You're still wasting time.
Nope, I'm not. You may not gain anything, but others will. For all the knowledge you have accumulated, you lack wisdom, and so you don't know how to put the knowledge to work for you. Your pride will dismiss what I have shared and you won't profit from it. But others may learn from your mistake.
 
The "according to his deeds" are Christ's deeds, not their deeds.
That is patently false @rogerg
Revelation 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne. And books were opened, and one of them was the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books. / The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds.
 
Nope, I'm not. You may not gain anything, but others will. For all the knowledge you have accumulated, you lack wisdom, and so you don't know how to put the knowledge to work for you. Your pride will dismiss what I have shared and you won't profit from it. But others may learn from your mistake.

That is a neat little box you keep trying to squeeze me into to feel better about yourself.
 
Wrong. He did not die for everyone! As we are clearly told in the verses below - that all and only those the Son died for, they must become reconciled to the Father and saved.
The unsaved by not being reconciled weren't those whom He died for. IOW, by the Son's death, that everyone covered by it must become reconciled to the God, so those unsaved weren't covered.
i.e., death of the son = reconciled.

[Rom 5:9-10 KJV]

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. ...
He reconciled the WORLD/ALL to Himself by His death. He propitiated the Father concerning ALL sin.

To be JUSTIFIED and saved by His life?...........Acts 16:31.


Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved you and your household< equal privilege and equal opportunity for ALL
 
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Nope, I'm not. You may not gain anything, but others will. For all the knowledge you have accumulated, you lack wisdom, and so you don't know how to put the knowledge to work for you. Your pride will dismiss what I have shared and you won't profit from it. But others may learn from your mistake.


Suggestion...

Go here: https://rbthieme.org/stream/special...g_people_problems&ref=solving_people_problems

Scroll down and click on this one: Forgiving obnoxious believers.


Grace and peace ..............
 
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That is a neat little box you keep trying to squeeze me into to feel better about yourself.
Discernment was the 3rd quality I gave of a godly teacher. The Lord is my Shepherd; I do not want. If you understood this verse you would know why I don't need to put you or anyone else in a box
 
How did you humble your natural man to receive His Grace?

By submitting to a pastor-teacher who can accurately teach the Word of God for our correction.
Showing each one of us how wrong we have been while being sure we were correct.

It is the most humbling experience one can have.

Such teaching will prove the following passage to be true in ways you could not have imagined until corrected in a way that will shock you. Humbled!


“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:8-9​

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That is patently false @rogerg
Revelation 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne. And books were opened, and one of them was the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books. / The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds.

Nope. Judged according to WHAT? How is that judgment made? For judgment to be rendered, there must be an absolute, observable, quantifiable standard applied, against which, assessment can be conducted. That standard is Christ. All who do not become saved will be measured against His achievement not against something abstract and nebulous. Those who fall short - and all of the unsaved will fall short- they will be found guilty as charged. They will be found so, because their trust was in themselves and their works and not in Christ.
You've only addressed half of the question of judgment and left half out.
 
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Nope, I'm not. You may not gain anything, but others will. For all the knowledge you have accumulated, you lack wisdom, and so you don't know how to put the knowledge to work for you. Your pride will dismiss what I have shared and you won't profit from it. But others may learn from your mistake.
Well, what we DO for certain, is that you and your crew DEFINITELY do not understand the parable of the landowner (Matt 20), nor comprehend it's linkage to the Gibeonite saga. Nor 2 Sam 21:6.

Jos 9:25 - “And now, here we are, in your hands; do with us as it seems good and right to do to us.”

Why pray tell? Because if you TRULY did understand all of these things together , you would not longer hold to deterministic dogma. At all. You would abandon it lock stock and barrel.

What is more grim is the possibility of this invective being applied to you and your crew.....turning down the offer of the denarius aka "The Blood".

Mat 20:14 - ‘Take what is yours and go your way. I wish to give to this last man the same as to you.

What is "yours" is this case? Nothing.
What way is "your way"? Take a guess.
 
Believing is not a wage.

Faith/Works

Romans 4:4-5:
Paul asks, "Now to him that worketh, is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness".


There is no boasting because it is the same gate for everyone.
It is actually the pre-selected doctrine that offers a means by which to boast.
And it's the same denarius for all.....
 
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Well, what we DO for certain, is that you and your crew DEFINITELY do not understand the parable of the landowner (Matt 20), nor comprehend it's linkage to the Gibeonite saga. Nor 2 Sam 21:6.

Jos 9:25 - “And now, here we are, in your hands; do with us as it seems good and right to do to us.”

Why pray tell? Because if you TRULY did understand all of these things together , you would not longer hold to deterministic dogma. At all. You would abandon it lock stock and barrel.

What is more grim is the possibility of this invective being applied to you and your crew.....turning down the offer of the denarius aka "The Blood".

Mat 20:14 - ‘Take what is yours and go your way. I wish to give to this last man the same as to you.

What is "yours" is this case? Nothing.
What way is "your way"? Take a guess.
You don't see the sovereignty of God in the parable. While there are many points to be made from the parable, the sovereignty of the land owner to control and dispense of his abundance is quite clear.
 
Nope. Judged according to WHAT? How is that judgment made? For judgment to be rendered, there must be an absolute, observable, quantifiable standard applied, against which, assessment can be conducted. That standard is Christ. All who do not become saved will be measured against His achievement not against something abstract and nebulous. Those who fall short - and all of the unsaved will fall short- they will be found guilty as charged. They will be found so, because their trust was in themselves and their works and not in Christ.
You've only addressed half of the question of judgment and left half out.

Judged according to their deeds. Christ is the perfect standard.

The dead are not judged "according to the deeds of Christ."........All would be saved if that were true.
 
I don't have anything to forgive. I haven't taken any offense. I will give you credit for a little self examination though. Seeing oneself as an obnoxious believer is certainly a step in the right direction.

Listen to it, fraidy-cat.

Someone else will if you don't.
So, it's all good.
 
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