Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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cv5 said:
Do your homework sir.

Jhn 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw G1670 him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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Jhn 12:32 - And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw G1670 all men unto me.
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How does this contradict what I stated?
 
studier said:
I won't chase your errors around. They are too extensive. But consider this at least: The word used in Jer2:19 is not the "fear" of the Lord used in Jer32:40 or Prov1:29. The fear of the Lord is discussed in Scripture many times' long before Jeremiah and is not just a NC promise. The lasting fear of the Lord in Jer32 re: the NC in Jer31 is just that, covenantal. The instruction about the volition of the people can be seen at minimum in Jer31:15 and on. The participants in the NC are ultimately those who responsively, volitionally believe in God.
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There's nothing in Jer 31:15 about man's volition. Hallucinate much?

Where are those belief conditions stated in the unilateral New Covenant? You did boldly, unequivocally and essentially state the other day that God fulfills his NC promises AFTER sinners come to faith and repentance, which clearly implies that there must be conditions for God's NC people to fulfill before they can enter that covenant. What specifically are those conditions and where in the NC are they explicitly stated?

One final thing: The greatest commandment of all is also "discussed in Scripture many times" -- both in the Law and the Prophets. How well did Israel do in keeping that greatest commandment?
 
Rufus said:
And then there are FWers who think they are something when in God's eyes they are less than nothing!

So, tell me, Mr. DNA man, are you a child of promise or not?

And have you figured out yet from Rom 1 who Paul's primary audience was?
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I was filled with the Holy Ghost in 1975 and have been walking with God for 50 years now.

And like I already mentioned but verse 7 [(to all that are in Rome)] states what I already posted.
 
Cameron143 said:
Please. How does one have inward obedience with a corrupted heart? How does one obey the command to believe when he is carnal and not subject to the law? Fallen natural man is quite the super hero. I wonder why he was found cowering shamefully in the garden blaming everyone but himself. He's at the car lot still waiting for a benefactor.
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You still have a body. No?
Well then...

So, how do have inward obedience now?
You still got flesh.
You can still enter into a state of carnality.

How do have inward obedience now?
 
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Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7 verses 21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8 verse 21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14 verse 4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7 verse 18
 
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Blain said:
Well again your idea of freely choosing even if we are enebaled physically is flawed here because even if we are eneabled physically he is talking things of the spirit not carnal and thus it doesn't matter if we are not blind or deaf the carnal cannot comprehend the spiritual and we are not spiritually enabled until he draws us first
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You do realize Isaiah's prophecy about blinded and deafened was spiritual in sense?
Being enabled would be spiritual as well.
 
cv5 said:
Actually, Satan is the elder first son. Adam is the younger second son.

The implications are profound.
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So Adam's spiritual daddy is also one of your superheroes, heh? How long have you been worshiping Adam's daddy and yours?
 
cv5 said:
Do your homework sir.

Jhn 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw G1670 him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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Jhn 12:32 - And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw G1670 all men unto me.
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Nope the "all" are all the Father gave to Jesus, and Jesus to them but that does not mean everyone:

[Jhn 17:2 KJV] 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

[Jhn 17:9 KJV] 9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
 
Genez said:


Yet you say nothing to back up your claim.
Not one chapter and verse states God regenerates us before salvation.
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Another bald-faced lie about regeneration. Read Jesus' dialogue with Nicodemus wherein he told the Pharisee that something must happen to him before he can see the kingdom of God.
 
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The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. The world does not recognize Him. No one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him. The one who loves God is known by God. If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The mind that is set on the flesh is hostile toward God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it. Whoever is not from God does not listen to us.
 
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Ephesians 5 v 14; John 5 v 21; Matthew 11 v 27b Wake up o sleeper, arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you..
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lrs68 said:
You do realize Isaiah's prophecy about blinded and deafened was spiritual in sense?
Being enabled would be spiritual as well.
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Yes looking back at the scriptures I see that now I don't know why I thought it was physical major brain fart there download (1).jpg

But even so if everyone else is spiritually enabled then why does the natural man not comprehend the things of the spirit?
 
lrs68 said:
I was filled with the Holy Ghost in 1975 and have been walking with God for 50 years now.

And like I already mentioned but verse 7 [(to all that are in Rome)] states what I already posted.
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You're a lousy exegete! And no, v.7 does not state that the audience is primary Jewish believers. Keep reading through the chapter, though, and you just might pick up on a rather important detail that you have carelessly missed thus far. Has the Holy Spirit abandoned you after 50 years? Don't you know that one of his ministries is to lead God's people into all truth? Where is your Holy Spirit? Is He napping? Or too busy to notice you? Why isn't He coming to your rescue?
 
Cameron143 said:
Love it when I post something and it's affirmed almost immediately.
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Speaks of one who needs affirming attention. Critique reframed for self-validation. Words redefined and logical fallacy used to protect the system. All the same underlying issues.
 
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