Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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HeIsHere said:
That is not proof, that is making a deduction from false premise of inability.

If the plan of salvation is regeneration prior to faith then it should be clearly spelled out in scripture, it is not.
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It is "clearly spelled out in scripture". It's called the New Covenant which is unconditional in nature.
 
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lrs68 said:
As a Jew I would have known about God before most others or classified as Gentile would. But having a personal relationship with God is the difference. There's knowing about God and then there's being a Friend with God who is there with you 24\7\365.
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That's really what makes the difference being a friend to God.
And including people in that friendship.
 
lrs68 said:
@Jordon,

I am part of a type of Church that if we discussed issues like Calvin and Arminius and made their discussion part of the Doctrine the majority of people would say Heretics and leave the Church because we're only ever concerned about what Jesus said, not a couple of buffoons who are opinionated.
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Since you're neither a Calvinist or Arminian, you must be a proud card-carryin' believer in the "buffoon" Pelagius?
 
studier said:
Good post. @Cameron143 question simply assumes a premise that negates the reality of a physically alive human being having an inner life that includes faculties put there by his Creator and used by His Creator to bring him back to Him.

The premise is a natural one for the misunderstanding of those with the psuchikos corpse theory.

Redefinition and false premises over and over again.
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You speak out of both sides of your mouth. Here you say God brings the man back. In other places you said the activity of God is only informative and doesn't impact or influence the individual.

Also, the premise that life precedes activity is hardly false. Further, though the natural man can still employ his faculties, he can't employ them spiritually. God is a spirit. The words of Jesus are spirit and life.
 
lrs68 said:
@Jordon,

I am part of a type of Church that if we discussed issues like Calvin and Arminius and made their discussion part of the Doctrine the majority of people would say Heretics and leave the Church because we're only ever concerned about what Jesus said, not a couple of buffoons who are opinionated.
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what do you feal about that view.
our church look at it differently they recognise that the understandings of our church fathers are passed from person to person it's the outside world that form radical views and come up with these imaginary groups of people called calvinists and Arminians ? We dont have churches called Calvinist or Armenian churches, there is the urc church Anglican church Pentecostal but no Calvinist church or Armenian church.

Then what happens you get these people who watch these movies and think they need to fight for God either being a Calvinist or Arminian,

It's quite the unsound mind really
 
Cameron143 said:
You speak out of both sides of your mouth. Here you say God brings the man back. In other places
you said the activity of God is only informative and doesn't impact or influence the individual.

Also, the premise that life precedes activity is hardly false. Further, though the natural man can still employ
his faculties, he can't employ them spiritually. God is a spirit. The words of Jesus are spirit and life.
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The spiritual things of God are opposed by the unregenerated man, and understood ONLY through the spirit.

I know you know this.

Then we get people saying the gospel is not a spiritual matter, it is not hid, everyone hears, and all manner of nonsense.

Including faith is not counted among "every good thing comes from God."
 
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Genez said:
Grace is commonly referred to as 'unmerited favor.'

Ironically, Paul tells us that grace is a real power. Power that causes us to merit favor with God by what grace produces in us.
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What precisely does ineffectual grace produce in us?
 
Rufus said:
Not to the best of my knowledge. Most would pin the label "Calvinist" on me, since I believe in the Five Doctrines of Grace.
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You are one of the few who calls himself a Calvinist.

FWers just throw the word around as a pejorative hoping it sticks to anyone who
actually believes what the Bible teaches, which they so vehemently oppose.
 
lrs68 said:
@Jordon,

I am part of a type of Church that if we discussed issues like Calvin and Arminius and made their discussion part of the Doctrine the majority of people would say Heretics and leave the Church because we're only ever concerned about what Jesus said, not a couple of buffoons who are opinionated.
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You sound very opinionated to me!
 
Rufus said:
Not to the best of my knowledge. Most would pin the label "Calvinist" on me, since I believe in the Five Doctrines of Grace.
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ah understood,.I'm begining to see now what's going on here,

Ok. Yep so the definition of a Pelagius heretic is someone not of sound mind miss using God's word is that correct ?
 
Jordon said:
ah understood,.I'm begining to see now what's going on here,

Ok. Yep so the definition of a Pelagius heretic is someone not of sound mind miss using God's word is that correct ?
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Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good despite everything said
of him in the Bible including the very words of Jesus Christ Himself.
It is on the basis of this fantasy goodness that they believe man can choose to
believe that which he can neither receive nor comprehend in his natural state, to
which he is actually opposed, and a lot of other Scriptures speak against what they say in this regard.

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Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7 verses 21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8 verse 21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14 verse 4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7 verse 18
 
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Magenta said:
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Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7 verses 21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8 verse 21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14 verse 4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7 verse 18
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yes they do magenta I agree
 
Jordon said:
what do you feal about that view.
our church look at it differently they recognise that the understandings of our church fathers are passed from person to person it's the outside world that form radical views and come up with these imaginary groups of people called calvinists and Arminians ? We dont have churches called Calvinist or Armenian churches, there is the urc church Anglican church Pentecostal but no Calvinist church or Armenian church.

Then what happens you get these people who watch these movies and think they need to fight for God either being a Calvinist or Arminian,

It's quite the unsound mind really
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I believe in BOTH views because it's 100% Biblical but I don't interject falsley like the Reformed view does.
 
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