Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[reneweddaybyday]

Well that's nice to know. all good that you knew, but you understood it was God giving you peace, yes or else how could you know.

The peace from God is not the same "peace" we understand in a worldly sense. The Lord Jesus Christ said "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid (John 14:27). This peace is not peace horizontally (man/woman to man/woman) ... but peace with God. That is why some folks wonder "if Jesus came to bring peace, why is there so much turmoil in the world?" ... it's because Jesus came to bring peace between man and God ... see also Rom 5:1.

Sorry to hear you've had many hairy moments I'll try to remember when I write to you.

thank you for your care and concern and please do not worry about me ... if I need prayer, I'll ask for it.

One of the lessons I have learned is that when we are going through rough seas, those are times God works within us to perfect, establish, strengthen, settle us (see 1 Peter 5:6-11). Sometimes we don't recognize that God is working in us because we're so focussed on what's going on around us. But once we're through, we see the results (fruit) of God having worked within to do just as He promises in 1 Peter 5. Then we're that much stronger the next time we go through trying times.

I forgot to mention earlier on that well i forgot actually my mistake.

I did mention last week here, that in the united Kingdom there are only churches that hold doctrines of grace are assigned to the reformation and church fathers including John Calvin.

Hence where we get the term Calvinism.. but who made up that term Calvinism ? Was it a mocker an unsound mind ?

I don't know.

So there is only churches that hold tulip beliefs, but calvinism is just a term, I don't even know who stated this term, but was it started as a mockery to our church fathers m, seeing as it's called an ism.

So do you think that why people find it offensive ?

I don't know. God sees all born again believers as one body in the Lord Jesus Christ over which He is the Head. We're the ones who call others whatever "isms" or "ers" or "ists" in our efforts to distinguish ourselves from others. kinda sad really ... but 1 John 1:3 tells us that those who have fellowship with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ will have fellowship with each other. So the fellowship starts vertically with the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ ... then horizontally with fellow believers.

But do people who use the term Calvinism have just cause to get offended about this, because when you think about it, it's not of sound mind to explode on someone with what appears to be a mockery of our church fathers, because they've decided they want to destroy your feelings with an ism, which could be a made up tern by the scoffers,

When you think about that some more, you realise they could be filled with evil intent.

Which then they make that agenda your agenda.

Well, Jordon, it goes both ways ... I try to focus on the Scripture being discussed, not on the name calling and bickering.

But on a positive note the doctrine of grace is central to most churches, does it matter if it's called tulip.

I know we try to memorialize truths revealed in Scripture in order that we can teach and understand. But I always find that God's truths are so much more abounding than the memorialization of His truth.
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[Jordon]

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I do not mean to exasperate anyone ... I just wanted clarification because of what I thought was the meaning ... appreciate your time in responding.

I looked up "outworking of salvation" and found that it is a tenet of the reformed theology.

AI defines "outworking of salvation" as follows:

It refers to the lifelong process by which a believer grows in holiness and lives in a way that reflects their new nature in Christ. ​

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This outworking is not a way to earn salvation but is the necessary evidence and result of it. This distinction is crucial to understanding the Reformed view. ​

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is that an accurate understanding? ... just asking so I can understand terms being used without causing undue exasperation.
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I think its more of a case of preserving in your faith.

 

[Magenta]

John 3 v 20-21 ~ Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.

 

[cv5]

They is those who believe. Since lots of people believe, you misrepresented the truth.
Also, no one who is reformed denies volition. I've seen them acknowledging volition in their posts. Because you can't understand how the two things can be reconciled, you espouse your ignorance in your assertion that it isn't believed by those with a reformed bent.
Seeking, asking, and repentance are likewise acknowledged by those of the reformed faith. The difference they have with what you believe is the impetus for them. You believe they are the freewill choices of individuals. They believe they are the result of the activity of the Spirit.

So...what you say is false. That you can't understand the arguments of the reformed at this point and continue to misrepresent them is simply sad. Disagreeing is one thing, deliberate misrepresentation is altogether another.

What is this? Why are you attempting to disavow and run away from your cherished religious doctrine little buddy?

Be prepared for more of the same type of devastating expose tomorrow. I expect that you will be running for the hills.

 

[cv5]

Again, all false for the reasons given in my previous post.

Is that so? Well be prepared for that checklist that I made earlier in the thread, all of which you agreed to. Remember that little buddy? I'm sure that you do. I will repost your responses. Just to keep you honest.....

 

[Jordon]

The peace from God is not the same "peace" we understand in a worldly sense. The Lord Jesus Christ said "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid (John 14:27). This peace is not peace horizontally (man/woman to man/woman) ... but peace with God. That is why some folks wonder "if Jesus came to bring peace, why is there so much turmoil in the world?" ... it's because Jesus came to bring peace between man and God ... see also Rom 5:1.





thank you for your care and concern and please do not worry about me ... if I need prayer, I'll ask for it.

One of the lessons I have learned is that when we are going through rough seas, those are times God works within us to perfect, establish, strengthen, settle us (see 1 Peter 5:6-11). Sometimes we don't recognize that God is working in us because we're so focussed on what's going on around us. But once we're through, we see the results (fruit) of God having worked within to do just as He promises in 1 Peter 5. Then we're that much stronger the next time we go through trying times.





I don't know.





I don't know. God sees all born again believers as one body in the Lord Jesus Christ over which He is the Head. We're the ones who call others whatever "isms" or "ers" or "ists" in our efforts to distinguish ourselves from others. kinda sad really ... but 1 John 1:3 tells us that those who have fellowship with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ will have fellowship with each other. So the fellowship starts vertically with the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ ... then horizontally with fellow believers.





Well, Jordon, it goes both ways ... I try to focus on the Scripture being discussed, not on the name calling and bickering.





I know we try to memorialize truths revealed in Scripture in order that we can teach and understand. But I always find that God's truths are so much more abounding than the memorialization of His truth.
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but how come your seeing all the things less important only now, when you've come across as being important to you.

Such as you said you'll pray for me earlier but now your saying if you want prayer you'll ask for it, I was only showing concern for your feelings

If I didn't know you better it feels like your in a difficult place to put your trust in people, for whatever reason that's your business, but you gain my trust and now it feels like you don't want my trust m, which that's ok.

But ok no worries could you just share in your own words why you find it offensive to be called a free willer.

Or why you should want to defend other people being offended by being called a free willer

 

[Genez]

ok please tell me in your own words why your debating free will do much

Because it helps some to understand it.

 

[Jordon]

Because it helps some to understand it.

some ? I asked you.

Why is it you and other are aways wanting to know are feelings but are aunwilling to share your own ?

 

[Magenta]

John 8 verses 43, 47, Acts 13 verse 48, Romans 8 verse 8, John 8 verse 43 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message.” “Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” When the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.

 

[Jordon]

John 8 verses 43, 47, Acts 13 verse 48, Romans 8 verse 8, John 8 verse 43 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message.” “Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” When the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.

then we should seek God, we have to live in hope everyday in his stillness, in the quiet tine away from the noise I hear him,

 

[Jordon]

The peace from God is not the same "peace" we understand in a worldly sense. The Lord Jesus Christ said "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid (John 14:27). This peace is not peace horizontally (man/woman to man/woman) ... but peace with God. That is why some folks wonder "if Jesus came to bring peace, why is there so much turmoil in the world?" ... it's because Jesus came to bring peace between man and God ... see also Rom 5:1.





thank you for your care and concern and please do not worry about me ... if I need prayer, I'll ask for it.

One of the lessons I have learned is that when we are going through rough seas, those are times God works within us to perfect, establish, strengthen, settle us (see 1 Peter 5:6-11). Sometimes we don't recognize that God is working in us because we're so focussed on what's going on around us. But once we're through, we see the results (fruit) of God having worked within to do just as He promises in 1 Peter 5. Then we're that much stronger the next time we go through trying times.





I don't know.





I don't know. God sees all born again believers as one body in the Lord Jesus Christ over which He is the Head. We're the ones who call others whatever "isms" or "ers" or "ists" in our efforts to distinguish ourselves from others. kinda sad really ... but 1 John 1:3 tells us that those who have fellowship with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ will have fellowship with each other. So the fellowship starts vertically with the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ ... then horizontally with fellow believers.





Well, Jordon, it goes both ways ... I try to focus on the Scripture being discussed, not on the name calling and bickering.





I know we try to memorialize truths revealed in Scripture in order that we can teach and understand. But I always find that God's truths are so much more abounding than the memorialization of His truth.
.

Peace in your heart and mind is something most clearly felt, which is not in a worldly sense, remembering truths only really come from believing in these truths.
You aways remember what is important.

Like doing everything to please the lord is important , those truths are truths that lead to the riches of his fruits of feeling joy in the heart..

That lead to messages being spoken in gladness when we do things to please the lord he is rewards us with the riches of What he has placed in our heart.

Gladness is a very special joy

 

[Magenta]

Peace in your heart and mind is something most clearly felt, which is not in a worldly sense, remembering truths only really come from believing in these truths.
You aways remember what is important.

Like doing everything to please the lord is important , those truths are truths that lead to the riches of his fruits of feeling joy in the heart..

That lead to messages being spoken in gladness when we do things to please the lord he is rewards us with the riches of What he has pkCe in our heart.

Gladness is a very special joy

Peace, be still; Lay all your worries down. Be still, oh my soul, For our God, is in control. And if God is for us, Then whom shall I fear? And our God is for us; So lay down, be still. He is God. Hallelujah, our God has overcome. Hallelujah, our Lord, Jesus Christ, has won.

 

[Jordon]

Peace, be still; Lay all your worries down. Be still, oh my soul, For our God, is in control. And if God is for us, Then whom shall I fear? And our God is for us; So lay down, be still. He is God. Hallelujah, our God has overcome. Hallelujah, our Lord, Jesus Christ, has won.

all these hopes can be experienced everyday in the quite time with the lord more so but even in the most busiest of times the lord can hold us together... And give us strength to persevere.

 

[Magenta]

all these hopes can be experienced everyday in the quite time with the lord more so but even
in the most busiest of times the lord can hold us together... And give us strength to persevere.

Amen!

 

[Magenta]

Psalm 34 verse 7 Hebrews 1 verse 14 The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear Him, and he delivers them. Are not the angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Céline wrote this after the birth of her son, following years of struggles with infertility and miscarriages. My
closest sister's only son has just had a baby... his first (well, not him but his partner). It is her 2nd grandchild.

 

[Jordon]

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Amen!

Well I hope your holding up in your perseverance of holding on to to your faith,


Can't be easy seeing this much rejection everyday, or having to deal with so much of your faith being thought of as nothing.

 

[Magenta]

Psalm 118:24 This is the day that the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

but how come your seeing all the things less important only now, when you've come across as being important to you.

Such as you said you'll pray for me earlier but now your saying if you want prayer you'll ask for it, I was only showing concern for your feelings

I am not going through a trial right now ... two weeks ago, yes, I was going through a difficult time ... but I am through that right now ... God saw me through and all is good. thank you for your care and concern.

If I didn't know you better it feels like your in a difficult place to put your trust in people, for whatever reason that's your business, but you gain my trust and now it feels like you don't want my trust m, which that's ok.

my trust is in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ... we, as a body of believers, are to come together in caring for one another. At this moment in time, the widow of Charlie Kirk ... who is going through a really really difficult time at this very moment ... is in need of prayer (she and her family). Eleven years ago I went through what she is going through now ... and it is devastating. God is the One Who brought me through the loss of my very good best friend and husband. While I miss my good best friend every single day, Erika Kirk is in need of prayer at this time.

But ok no worries could you just share in your own words why you find it offensive to be called a free willer

all of the definitions of "free willer" that have been provided thus far do not encompass what I believe ... so, in the very words of those who use the term, I am not a "free willer".

Or why you should want to defend other people being offended by being called a free willer

do you believe "free willers" are born again?
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[Jordon]

Psalm 34 verse 7 Hebrews 1 verse 14 The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear Him, and he delivers them. Are not the angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Céline wrote this after the birth of her son, following years of struggles with infertility and miscarriages. My
closest sister's only son has just had a baby... his first (well, not him but his partner). It is her 2nd grandchild.

I'm not in the mood for music at the moment magenta I do like her voice tho and that song is nice.
I have to be in the mood for it tho.
I'm just having some quit time now.

 

[Magenta]

I'm not in the mood for music at the moment magenta I do like her voice tho and that song is nice.
I have to be in the mood for it tho.
I'm just having some quit time now.

My life is very quiet also... I am off to bed. Have a good night, Jordon...