Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Magenta]

I understand all this magenta all I'm saying is really if you respond out of kindness and not in kindness to there numerous multiple attempts to attack your faith, you then give them even more fuel to attack your faith further.

You may have seen how these people seek to deceive others in misrepresenting not only the beliefs of others, but also themselves, as with heishere just saying how she defends fervently the character of God, when the fact of the matter is she has actually said many times that God is unfair to do the very thing Scripture shows Him doing, from the beginning of the Bible to the very end, and which He promised to do for those who would seek Him. So it may look unkind to call these people out on their constant lying about a number of things, and may give the delusional reason to think they are justified to attack me for speaking the truth to their lies, but that has become far less important to me than the actual fact of speaking truth to their lies.

Revelation 22 verses 11-13 ~ Let the unrighteous continue to be unrighteous, and the vile continue to be vile; let the righteous continue to practice righteousness, and the holy continue to be holy.” “Behold, I am coming soon, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

 

[Magenta]

Because being separated from God is death. Restoration is God making us alive in Christ. Paul defines death as alienation, not as corpses unable to respond.

Paul spoke to man's innate inability. And he gives credit to Gid, not himself for making the right choice in deciding to believe.

Romans 7:18-24a I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law. But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!

 

[rogerg]

Because being separated from God is death. Restoration is God making us alive in Christ. Paul defines death as alienation, not as corpses unable to respond.

Didn't we already go through all of this? No one dies spiritually by degrees. They either are dead, or they are not, period -
death is all-encompassing. If someone is dead, then only God can make them alive, and He does so only for His elect.

 

[studier]

Nice satanic THEORY you have there, bunky. I didn't know man can be saved by "volitional" belief. My bible tells me that we must believe in our hearts. You do excel at doing the devil's work though...I give ya that. He is the original master at twisting God's word, and you are living proof that the apple doesn't fall far from its rotten tree from which no good fruit can be had.

The order remains God’s gracious giving of His power in the Gospel, combined with the convicting ministry of His Spirit—so that unbelievers have all they need to choose either to believe or to reject Him.

 

[Magenta]

From Romans 7 verses 18-19 Journey from Inability to Ability I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out... I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. Praise be to God for circumcising my sinful nature, causing me to obey by putting His Holy Spirit in me, and giving me a new heart.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I have yes and for that reason there will be able to respond in some manner,

But is there response going to be right with out the aid God, (some kind of enabling ?.

I can't see it.

But I can see enabling

“some kind of enabling ?.”

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
“
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭

The gospel is what god has done to save us to enable us to quicken us and change our minds it’s preached in all the world and anyone who believes will be saved but anyone who rejects it will be damned

the enabling is already there hearing it and belief into application is the key

often we stop ourselves from even hearing it so we can receive faith that it offers

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The word of God was sent out to all nations into the end of the world promising them if they believe they shall be saved the gospel is the power of God to save souls ot lacks nothing and needs nothing more but a believer

 

[HeIsHere]

Didn't we already go through all of this? No one dies spiritually by degrees. They either are dead, or they are not, period -
death is all-encompassing. If someone is dead, then only God can make them alive, and He does so only for His elect.

Election is to service not about personal salvation.

There is that.

 

[studier]

That's not what Lk 1:77-78 teaches. You lie by omission by concealing important data in the passage and reading your pet presuppositions into it instead:

Tighten up your work. You're responding to a comment about Eph2 with an argument about Luke1.

Luke 1 is a hymn of praise for salvation’s dawn in Christ—not a step-by-step order of salvation to fit presuppositional determinism.

 

[Genez]

Not just Calvinism. Jesuits were and still are the tool of satan. The soldiers in the RCC's counter protestant war. The Oxford Movement was a good example.

Satan will want to keep things spinning....
Going in circles of non-resolvable controversy.
In that way...
Never able to focus on what the still small voice would have for us to grow by.

 

[Jordon]

You may have seen how these people seek to deceive others in misrepresenting not only the beliefs of others, but also themselves, as with heishere just saying how she defends fervently the character of God, when the fact of the matter is she has actually said many times that God is unfair to do the very thing Scripture shows Him doing, from the beginning of the Bible to the very end, and which He promised to do for those who would seek Him. So it may look unkind to call these people out on their constant lying about a number of things, and may give the delusional reason to think they are justified to attack me for speaking the truth to their lies, but that has become far less important to me than the actual fact of speaking truth to their lies.

Revelation 22 verses 11-13 ~ Let the unrighteous continue to be unrighteous, and the vile continue to be vile; let the righteous continue to practice righteousness, and the holy continue to be holy.” “Behold, I am coming soon, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

I don't think your unkind,

Some may read this part and take notice m, but I doubt it here it is

Hate crime legislation in the United Kingdom

The United Kingdom (excerpts related to Hate Crimes law)
Legislation covering England & Wales

The Aggravated Offences (sections 28 to 32 Crime and Disorder Act 1998) cover race and religion and mirror certain non-hate crime equivalent offences (that is: assault, criminal damage, public order offences or harassment) but with higher maximum sentences. An offender is charged with these (e.g. ‘racially-aggravated assault’), instead of non-hate crime versions, where there is proof of racial or religious hostility on the part of the offender.
The Stirring Up Offences, set out in sections 17 to 29N Public Order Act 1986,

this is put in place to protect people because of what can follow, and some of the things these people are capable of doing is shocking, when you read the stories of people convicted of religious hate crime.

I believe there's enough evidence to prosecute here magenta.

 

[Magenta]

Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.

 

[rogerg]

Election is to service not about personal salvation.

There is that.

The elect are called unto service; however, election/predestination of which the elect are of, is unto salvation. Read Eph 1 & 2.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

yes ... don't know why there is so much angst over this ...
.

Because of this not being acceptable

“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-8‬ ‭NIV‬‬



you see if I’m not able to choose between good and evil then I’m not responsible for my actions I have no accountability I’m either chosen and enabled and worked like a puppet by God or I never had a chance because he didn’t choose me and enable me

if we don’t want to be held accountable we’re going to create ideas like “ we have no choice unless god forces us magically to do good by his Will and those who don’t just were never meant to be saved it was never a choice they weren’t capable “

It tries to put the owness of mans rebellion and failures on God in order to refuse our own responsabilities for our own sins when we are tempted because of course we’re incapable of resisting temptation unless god does it for us ……we don’t even need to pray that’s a work lol

 

[BillyBob]

Ezekiel 36 is God’s promise to renew His people - Israel in context, and in Christ, all who believe. It doesn’t say unbelievers get new hearts so they can believe; it says God gives new hearts to those who, by faith, have become His people. Belief comes first, then the new heart.

Sounds to me that the passage that you mentioned shows that God is again having mercy on a people who have wandered from Him and profaned His name. He says: v22 “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went.”
But even though they did this, He has mercy on them by gathering them to their own land.
He washes them and makes them clean, telling them that He will be their God and they will be His people. That is His plan!
Once this has been done he tells them: v31 Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations. 32 Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord God, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”
Much of this is done to glorify His name throughout the land, for He proclaims:
v36 Then the nations which are left all around you shall know that I, the Lord, have rebuilt the ruined places and planted what was desolate. I, the Lord, have spoken it, and I will do it.”

 

[cv5]

One day you'll get it. Hang in there.

What I won't get is charged with arson for continually setting heresy fires.

My job is to quench them, even if they get re-lit

 

[cv5]

Satan will want to keep things spinning....
Going in circles of non-resolvable controversy.
In that way...
Never able to focus on what the still small voice would have for us to grow by.

I think of it this way:
Satan is a criminal arsonist, gleefully and perpetually lighting heresy fires.

The Saints are the firefighters, quenching this conflagration.

 

[Magenta]

Corpses don’t walk in disobedience. Paul’s own words undo the corpse analogy. Why cut out the very verses that explain this?

Spiritually dead people walk in disobedience, living according to worldly ways and desires,
alienated from God by their sinful nature and their hardened heart, and walk according to
the "spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience." These worldly desires flow out
of their incurably wicked hearts which only God can change. No heart still in the state of
being incurably wicked chooses to believe in the God he hates.

Scriptural truths for the honest to consider.

 

[cv5]

Corpses don’t walk in disobedience. Paul’s own words undo the corpse analogy. Why cut out the very verses that explain this?

Satan is not a corpse either.

But he will be eternally and finally separated from God. Also known as the SECOND death.

It's a two stage process......

 

[Rufus]

John 3:16. It reads: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life

Define "world"! Do you understand that the Jews never considered themselves to be part of the "world"? They never biblically thought of themselves as being just another nation among many others in the world.

 

[Cameron143]

What I won't get is charged with arson for continually setting heresy fires.

My job is to quench them, even if they get re-lit

Sounds like you keep yourself busy.