There is only one option concerning this. There are a plethora of verses that clearly and distinctly tell us that the Lord Jesus Christ Paid for the sins of the world/all/the many/ mankind.
The natural man cannot understand the things of God.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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The natural man cannot understand the things of God.
The Grace given to all, to present the drawing onto salvation, is sovereignly given to all.
For once the flesh is silenced by God's power?
And a soul chooses to reject the drawing of God?
That one ends up being condemned.
If God's "sovereign drawing grace" depended upon humility?
There could be no grace given to those who will reject to make them to be without excuse!
When it says, God gives grace to the humble?
That speaks in reference to only believers. Those who have crossed over into regeneration.
God's drawing grace is sovereignly given to all, as to leave all who will reject God's drawing to be without excuse.
To be without excuse they had to be made able to not reject if they so choose.
GAP (grace and peace)
Same applies to believers who habitually walk in the flesh.
Reversionism sets in over time.
Agreed.
The reformed interpretation of 1 Cor 2:14 will accuse me of saying "you are not really saved."
With the right and doctrinal interpretation Paul was talking to BELIEVERS who were walking in the flesh.( the natural man.)
Saved, but quenching/grieving the Spirit.
Did those "whosoever/whomever/whoever believe by the efficacy of their own "freewill" or by God's grace?
The process of Regeneration, the instilling of the Fear of the Lord and Circumcised Hearts all mightily contribute to producing humility in a person's heart even before his new birth. Besides there aren't two lumps of clay in this world -- one humble and one proud. There's only ONE lump of Clay (all arrogant and proud) from which God CREATES a new humble lump.
Get a clue: Many never = All. Nor does it ever = a Few.
Ok. Adams trespass was not for all. It was for the many. Lots of holes in your ship @Rufus .
According to you and reformed theology? God.
We don't have any choice in the matter, and God caused our physical birth.
If God was as you think and describe.......I would tell him, " Don't let me be born."
Hard not to cuss after watching that.
And you are spot on. We will go through a few pages(from the calvies) about how we are dead men in the grave. And when we argue that we can still make choices and we are still cognisant.........We get, "WELL WE ARE NOT DEAD!!"
Border line, nope, INSANITY.
2 Peter 2:1-2
2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them — bringing swift destruction on themselves.
NIV
Some misguided soul here thinks this passage proves that Christ died for everyone due to the highlighted portion of the passage. If only FWers could read!
"Were" in v. 1 is in the past tense. "Will be" is in the future tense. Peter is reflecting back to the OT false prophets. And the false prophets (teachers) that lie in these messianic believers' future to whom Peter was writing would also be JEWS! Since these false teachers professed to be believers, then that profession of faith would have also logically included a profession that God had redeemed (bought) them. Peter isn't making any doctrinal statements about the extent of the atonement per se but rather is focusing on responsibility of the false teachers and what their end will be.
2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them — bringing swift destruction on themselves.
NIV
Some misguided soul here thinks this passage proves that Christ died for everyone due to the highlighted portion of the passage. If only FWers could read!
"Were" in v. 1 is in the past tense. "Will be" is in the future tense. Peter is reflecting back to the OT false prophets. And the false prophets (teachers) that lie in these messianic believers' future to whom Peter was writing would also be JEWS! Since these false teachers professed to be believers, then that profession of faith would have also logically included a profession that God had redeemed (bought) them. Peter isn't making any doctrinal statements about the extent of the atonement per se but rather is focusing on responsibility of the false teachers and what their end will be.