Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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YES! And I had a prayer answered!
I worked a summer at a camp in Alaska. Lots of lost kids.
I prayed that we would share the Gospel to these kids according to His will. And that He would open doors for us to reach these kids with His Gospel.
And He did!
We can't pray for someone's salvation. That is a choice the individual makes. Plus, any Christian worth his salt, knows Christ will save anyone who believes and it is available to ALL.
Yeah, you pretty much don't comprehend it based on your assessment that it is illogical. It is very logical, just not in a sense that you can understand.
Look at what you asked for...you asked God to act on your behalf according to His will and not yours. In other words, you asked God to sovereignly exercise His power to override freewill on your behalf.
While this is indeed proper, it is contrary to freewill.
Additionally, you did not pray for God to so work upon the wills of unbelievers. How do you say you have such concern for them if you don't ask God for their highest good. If you found out one was sick, would you pray for healing? But will not ask for God to heal their sin-sick souls?
Enough that God my Father knows
Nothing this faith can diminish.
He gives the very best to those
Who leave the choice with Him.
Hudson Taylor
@Cameron143 Salvation is equal privilege and equal opportunity.
He died for all, and salvation is available to ALL .......24/7.
Your philosophy and " gotchas" only hinder your witness for Him.
Get it through your head......Christ died for ALL and ALL have salvation FREELY offered to them.
Don't dig deeper. It was a baited question and we got the fisherman's expected answer.
There are a few here that can see it.
If Jesus died for all who would ever come into existence, on what basis does God punish unbelievers? If God accepted Jesus blood for the remission of every sin ever committed, how then can God require payment for sin that has been paid for?
EVIL/HUMAN GOOD/DEEDS.
Sin is finished.......Which is why ALL can come to Him to be saved.
This is still part of the milk of the word, no wonder we can't ever get to the meat.
Please answer the question: on what basis does God cast someone into the Lake of Fire if all sin has been atoned for?
I didn't expect that you could reason through the scripture for an answer. Yet, scripture exhorts you to be prepared to give an answer.
I was reading a book about people who promote "Limited Atonement" aka Calvinism, the author reminds us, (those who follow the
correct teachings of scripture) we are not not required to answer loaded/bad faith/ illegitimate questions which people who push this
doctrine tend to formulate.
You have no answer. You make God out to be unrighteousness. That's why you wield such terminology rather than actually looking at truth. The Bible doesn't use terms like limited atonement, but does ask the question...is there unrighteousness with God? It's not that I don't believe such terms are accurate when properly understood, it's that here they are merely employed as insults and stifle actual reasoning.
Can you explain how God remains just if He accepts the blood of Jesus to atone for every person and yet still demands payment for their sins?
Great question Cameron, and one which places them on the horns of a dilemma because, based upon their beliefs, there is
no single logical answer they can make that covers the point you've made. You force them into either choosing that Christ did not die for everyone, or that everyone must be saved, or that Christ's offering was not completely effective, or yes, heavens to Betsy, that we're actually right. So, whichever choice they might make (besides that we're actually right), they still end-up in conflict with the others. Of course, they will not be able to comprehend this and will continue to insist that becoming saved rests upon a person's will alone, regardless. That is why I included this verse in a prior post - that by it - and only for those covered under it - He alone had already purged all of THEIR sins once and for all with nothing left to be done by them.
[Heb 1:3 KJV] 3 Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Haven't you heard Roger? They are the judge of which questions they are to be prepared to give an answer for the hope within them. How dare you suggest this was a good question!