You were given rationale from the scriptures. If you can't think with the word, you are in deep trouble.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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You were given rationale from the scriptures. If you can't think with the word, you are in deep trouble.
Show me such a scripture. God is under no obligation to give anyone the opportunity for salvation. Otherwise, He's not sovereign. Pretty sure sovereignty is an attribute of God that governs His nature.
Election isn't selection. Election is simply choosing some for something. It's not about not choosing. For example, God chose Israel to be His people. He didn't choose everyone else not to be His people.
Then have the decency to say it up front instead of wasting our time with questions you have no desire to hear answered.
“Adam chose between good and evil every day..”
but look biblically instead of explaining your thoughts about Adam
“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”
Genesis 1:27-28, 31 KJV
“And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:15-17
they aren’t supposed to have tbat knowledge of good and evil they have to break Gods word in order to have it . Adam functioned dorectly in relationship with God because he wasn’t ruled by good and evil they weren’t oart good and evil it’s why there was no shame before him
“And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.”
Genesis 2:25 KJV
it’s only after they partake of the knowledge of good and evil as they were commanded not to do that the issue arises and thier minds perceptions change to that of good and evil and making one’s own judgements between good and evil
“And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: ( they broke the commandment and now have forbidden knowledge never meant for them ) and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.”
( before this God had placed them in the garden )
Genesis 3:22, 24
When they transgressed gods commandment which was meant to keep them safe and alive in Eden . “Don’t eat that fruit you’ll die “ was to protect them but they rejected it when they heard the other guys doctrine concerning the same object , the knowledge of good and evil which God forbid but the serpent encouraged and gave them reasoning through temptation to partake of what God told them plainly would bring death and was forbidden.
Adam and eves situation changed as soon as they ate their perceptions changed because thoer knowledge changed . they now saw things from the wrong perspective and not as those who were trusting in Gods word bit as those who had rejected his word and followed the serpents word which encouraged man to partake of good and evil and use thier dominion on earth through that corrupted lens never meant for mankind.
And look what happened when they parted from trusting Gods judgement of good and evil and followed tbier own…..
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
Genesis 6:5-6, 12-13 KJV
The problem is the first transgression but not the way some folks think it’s what caused us to be caught between good and evil and needing to choose good and live …..it didt defile all humanity as evil …..it put us in a bind between good and evil not having good judgement because we won’t listen to his judgements. Of good and evil and the result of both
there’s a difference im sinply having a relationship with God him blessing you and teaching you and fellowshipping with you like in Eden ……and being given a law that defined good and evil and left then to your own devices .
we’re not meant to learn from anyone but the lord and we’re meant to believe what he says it’s life for anyone who does it…..
This is precisely why so few sinners hear Christ's voice. Mankind is as deceitful as the sin that resides in his heart. If it weren't for God's effectual grace, no one in this world would hear the Son's voice.
Everything I wrote was counter to the rationale is that not up front. And I don't ask questions that I'm not interested in the answer. That doesn't mean I have to agree with it.
So, Cain came into this world as an amoral being: He was neither good or evil, even though he belonged to Satan?
Is Cain another another one of your superheroes in Genesis? Maybe Abel got his brother's nose and ticked him off good and that isn't recorded in scripture. Maybe Cain is actually the victim in the story.
Spoken by a lover of falsehoods who believes Adam was the good guy in the Fall narrative who sinned to save his wife who he loves soooo much -- until he threw her unceremoniously under the bus. And you believe without a shred of biblical evidence that Adam placed his faith in the God after he sinned. You can't even make it out of the dugout to get to the batter's box, let alone make it to first base.
Yeah if he hadn’t done this
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
then no one could hear it
They have to break God's word to know experientially good and evil. You can accept my earlier explanation or not. It's not I haven't considered such verses. I have. I'll leave you with 2 thoughts:
1. Implicit in any command is that following the command is good. Not to follow is not good. God even told Adam that not to do so would have consequence. Are we to believe Adam thought the consequence of disobedience would be good? So, empirically, Adam knew of the existence of good and evil.
2. If everything God made was good and very good, Adam's experience of creation was an experience of good. He would not only have experienced good from creation, He would also have experienced it in his interactions with God. What he had not experienced was evil. By sinning, he came to experience evil.
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You asked what seems to be a simple question.
But, to do it justice, may take 50 hours of teaching to gain enough knowledge to think with.
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Cameron? Is this how you think about God is under no obligation?
God so hated the world, that he grudgingly gave His uniquely begotten Son,
so whoever is willing to give it a shot, should not perish, even though God
knows that one who believes could turn out to be a pain in the donkey.
God needs no obligation to man.
"Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. " 1 John 4:8 v
Love is God's nature!
Not something he simply feels.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him
should not perish but have eternal life"
God is obligated to love!Sovereign love is the obligation!
Empirically in the sense of observation (and not experience which is also empirical)? What do you think he observed or what other sense of empirical are you suggesting?
Some think this is more than experience and that this concept of knowledge is about autonomy, for example, being the determiner of good and evil, like God, not unlike Satan suggested and seems to think he is.
I get it. You can't answer so your response is to denigrate and intimate things about others.