Good phrase. Will have to try to keep it in mind. As I read more and more of this TULIP garbage my mind tends to stronger language.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Good phrase. Will have to try to keep it in mind. As I read more and more of this TULIP garbage my mind tends to stronger language.
“Well that's my question: if faith originates with God, isn't He the One who produces it?”
he planned and fulfilled the gospel and then sent the message of salvation out to all humanity ….so they could hear the word and either accept it and be saved or reject it and be doomed
she did already produce it then he sent it out for n the message of the gospel to all people . It’s like you don’t think Jesus has done enough to save us and there needs to be some other secret thing he’s gonna do that is enough
The gospel promises eternal life , salvation , it teaches us all the father made known to the son it’s where all his promises began it’s where we are promised his Holy Spirit promises remission of our sins , promised a resurrection and unto life
But it’s like some people are still waiting for god to do that secret thing that can save us . Bro all things began with and came from God acknolwedging what he said to us that can save our souls isn’t trying to take glory from him or save ourselves it’s trusting in him trusting that he’s not telling us fables trusting in who he is and that he’s capable to keep those things he did say to believers
the gospel is complete and can already wothoit anything else being done save any soul that will hear believe
Now some reject it some aren’t sure when they hear it and some will believe it . god isn’t deciding that part the people are according to his declaration of salvation in the gospel
the message of the gospel is all that’s needed god is all through it in spirit and fills our hearts and minds as we abide
gods responsible for giving us the gospel that saves souls that’s what he’s given us the gospel there’s faith available in ot for all but not all will be willing to receive it they love the world more than the idea of eternity with the lord it isn’t what he wanted for them he gave his precious blood fornthier sins too but they rejected him all on thier own
Those who choose to believe are in fact known by God (I agree), not simply because they choose to do so - but because a work will be done for them. It will not fail because God in three persons will make it happen!
2 Corinthians 4 verses 3-4 ~ 2 Corinthians 4 verse 4 ~ Even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, Who is the image of God.
And then a spiritual lineage in Christ by grace through faith which includes volitionally taking hold of the gift from Heaven.
Next thing you know we will have FWers denying that people's names are written i the Lamb's Book of Life...
When asked who could go to heaven, do you know what Jesus said?
I don't think you do, but I am hopeful you could get it right even though most everything you say screams you disagree.
It's shaping up to be a hot summer day here. A little refresher perhaps?
With man it is impossible.
Oh, yes, there is also the matter of Jesus saying it was not possible for
a bad tree to produce good fruit but you disagree with that as well.
Agreed. I saw elsewhere where you wisely stepped off the merry-go-round. This thread may now be destined for the 15k+ posts circle.
The reason I asked the question as I did was to isolate the source of faith. If it is God producing faith, wherever that faith is produced one will find salvation. No one who has faith rejects God. It is only those who do not possess faith who reject the offer of salvation. What you are saying is that all men receive faith and must choose to follow or reject God. But you aren't taking into account the nature of faith. Faith always believes God. That's what makes it faith. So if faith is produced in an individual by God, belief is always the result. It's not that I don't believe individuals are called to make a choice because I do. It's simply that the choice one makes is predicated upon whether faith has been birthed in them by God or not.
It's not loaded, but simply an attempt to understand the source of faith. The question is simple: does faith come as a result of the activity of God or man?
Do you mean once you discover the significance of the work God has done in you, you decide/choose to co-operate with God?
That once you lay aside any inherent rebellion and opposition and hostility to God as a result of Him drawing you with loving kindness, which worked repentance in you, which was HIS goal and not yours, you were finally able to understand that which had been hidden from you before and seen as foolishness? Jesus did come to open the eyes of the blind and seek and save the lost. It just comes across as crass when the free will crowd keeps making it about what they did while pretty much ignoring everything God had already done in their lives. You know? Like honestly to the point where there are those who claim God was not even required.
This is the crux of the matter: where does faith come from? Is it produced by God or men? If it does originate with men, salvation is, at least in part, to men's glory. If it originates with God, then all the glory belongs to God. As jealous as God is for His own glory, the latter comports better to what is revealed about God.
Yeah lately it seems any subject begins a circle between two factions lol at least it’s not a church and just a discussion forum or itd be a bigger shame
Yes, I understand. They make receiving about what they do instead of being about what God does. Some deny faith as a gift.
1 Corinthians 4 verse 7b; John 3 verse 27; Romans 9 verses 15-16 ~ What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did also receive it, why do you boast as not having received it? John replied, "A man can receive only that which is given him from heaven." "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
