Judas was chosen for service he failed.
All are welcome to believe in Christ Jesus and receive the gift of salvation but some do not believe in Christ Jesus for salvation.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Judas was chosen for service he failed.
All are welcome to believe in Christ Jesus and receive the gift of salvation but some do not believe in Christ Jesus for salvation.
Judas-Satan was "put on display" to the angelic realm to prove something......
This is a partial reason for his inclusion.
[Jhn 13:26 KJV]
Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped [it]. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave [it] to Judas Iscariot, [the son] of Simon.
[Jhn 13:27 KJV]
And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
[Jhn 13:30 KJV]
He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.
But why? When the truth of the matter is so readily apprehended?
Judas-Satan was "put on display" to the angelic realm to prove something......
That part of the reason for his inclusion.
Yes I see this too.
I just find those in the "reformed" school continually make a category error when interpreting scripture, they lump call to service ( election) with individual personal salvation.
As I said in post 17518
Are you saying that people merely have to realize that they have already been saved? That they are already perfected spiritual beings who have no need for faith?
[Eph 1:4 KJV] 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Already properly exegeted many times on this thread.
IN HIM is key, I notice you did not highlight that.
they are given faith/belief as a result OF salvation, not TO become saved. They will come to faith in Christ as Savior from having become saved
Well.....IMO they are doctrinally a shipwreck.
Wrong-headed about pretty much everything.
They propound vague nonsensical notions undergirded with bizarre philosophy and brand it "truth".
You blow that passage every-single-time.
Every time. Because you do not understand it. Its amazing and tragic.
Already properly exegeted many times on this thread.
IN HIM is key, I notice you did not highlight that.
You obviously didn't read the verse I included. If you had, the "in him" wouldn't have needed to be highlighted - the verse explained
it.
And I've exegeted this many times and shows what "in Him" represents and how it occurs. But here they are again. please try to read and understand them:
[1Co 1:30 KJV] 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
[2Co 1:20 KJV] 20 For all the promises of God in him [are] yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
[Eph 1:4 KJV] 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Already properly exegeted many times on this thread.
IN HIM is key, I notice you did not highlight that.
And we only abide in him through faith
He does until he denies it when confronted with the facts. Then he reasserts a couple of pages later after memory fades.
An endless doom-loop of crazy.
Thats how the determinists roll man.
Oh yes, very much agree, a shipwreck and so very dangerous in so many ways.
1) Changes the nature of God
2) Changes the ordro salutis
3) Changes the nature of fallen man
4) Changes the atonement on the cross to limited
5) Changes God from good to the author of evil so that even when a young girl is raped, tortured and murdered she received her judgement!!!