Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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I believe so
But they also exercised it after being giving instruction.
Not to mention there parents telling them if God instructs you to do something do it .
Don't forget they had not long saw the full force of Gods wrath.
Whilst where in that subject, there parents never exercised faith in the garden, and where punished.
As I've said already any faith expressed in the Bible was out of give and take for rewards.
But I never got an answer.
In the situation of Adam and his family the same rule would of applied any faith expressed would have been to find favour.
As God can be seen hundreds of times in the old t instructing people to do things for reward or receive punishment.
As I've said already any faith expressed in the Bible was out of give and take for rewards.
But I never got an answer.
In the situation of Adam and his family the same rule would of applied any faith expressed would have been to find favour.
As God can be seen hundreds of times in the old t instructing people to do things for reward or receive punishment.
you won't get an answer I've all ready asked.
But your wasting your time, he's not your friend
We have explained certain thing in the most exorbitant, inimitably comprehensive, detailed manner,
and we still get misrepresented and told we believe things that are simply lies from the other person.
cv5 may be one of the worst offenders for that, actually.
Since he would rather blaspheme God than admit he was wrong.
This has already been explained to them but it really went nowhere as per usual.
Do they listen? I don't think so.
So then, am I to add plagiarism to the ever-expanding list of super-determinist offenses?
Yes, you did bring this up and have expounded upon it at length, faith comes by hearing, and then we ask,
who hears? Because not everybody hears, although the opposite has been repeated by people who do not
know the Scriptures, it is part and parcel of the free will nonsense they peddle. And then, does hearing just
mean my ears pick up the vibrational frequencies your words produce? Like, if I hear someone speak Chinese,
am I hearing what they are saying? This has been gone over at length also, many times I have asked, how
many times did you hear before you believed? And all I hear in response is crickets! So we should agree that
hearing encompasses comprehension and this sticks in their craw because the natural man cannot comprehend,
he is blinded to the truth, and nobody chooses to decide to believe what they hear as foolishness.
The unregenerated person does not hear and does not decide to believe with his incurably wicked heart.
When it is put to them that they teach that the flesh brings forth fruit unto life they are offended
as if that is not exactly what they teach. They just can't stand seeing the truth of it spelled out.
Flesh serves the law of sin and brings forth fruit unto death. They just cant get around that one.
But they say, oh no, I don't teach that, because they are either ignorant of what they actually teach,
or they are bent on deceiving people. The man who is unregenerated is a man of the flesh. Period.
They just keep ascribing to the unregenerated man qualities and abilities possessed only by the spiritual man.
Flesh serves the law of sin. For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Nothing good lives in my flesh. Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”? Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one! The flesh brings forth fruit unto death. Romans 7 v 25, Galatians 5 v 17, Romans 7 v 18, Proverbs 20 v 9, Job 14 v 4, Romans 7 v 5 (Romans 8 v 13 and James 1 v 15)
as if that is not exactly what they teach. They just can't stand seeing the truth of it spelled out.
Flesh serves the law of sin and brings forth fruit unto death. They just cant get around that one.
But they say, oh no, I don't teach that, because they are either ignorant of what they actually teach,
or they are bent on deceiving people. The man who is unregenerated is a man of the flesh. Period.
They just keep ascribing to the unregenerated man qualities and abilities possessed only by the spiritual man.
Flesh serves the law of sin. For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Nothing good lives in my flesh. Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”? Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one! The flesh brings forth fruit unto death. Romans 7 v 25, Galatians 5 v 17, Romans 7 v 18, Proverbs 20 v 9, Job 14 v 4, Romans 7 v 5 (Romans 8 v 13 and James 1 v 15)
oops yep sorry,
That would of been my Aspasia again, I often miss words out when I'm typing, it's permanent to, due to a massive brain injury, I even have speech issues at times, it's not a condition where by my intelligence is effected tho,
But yes Romans 10.17.
You know talking to people who openly state they have a mob against you really isn't wise to keep on talking to that to that person cam
Actually we know that quite well and also we are quite familiar with how you love to blaspheme God.
Repeatedly telling us how unfair He is and how He does things for no good reason. My goodness.
Wise words , Good scripture to bring up to, if only they would hear thoWhen it is put to them that they teach that the flesh brings forth fruit unto life they are offended
as if that is not exactly what they teach. They just can't stand seeing the truth of it spelled out.
Flesh serves the law of sin and brings forth fruit unto death. They just cant get around that one.
But they say, oh no, I don't teach that, because they are either ignorant of what they actually teach,
or they are bent on deceiving people. The man who is unregenerated is a man of the flesh. Period.
They just keep ascribing to the unregenerated man qualities and abilities possessed only by the spiritual man.
Flesh serves the law of sin. For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Nothing good lives in my flesh. Who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin”? Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one! The flesh brings forth fruit unto death. Romans 7 v 25, Galatians 5 v 17, Romans 7 v 18, Proverbs 20 v 9, Job 14 v 4, Romans 7 v 5 (Romans 8 v 13 and James 1 v 15)
This person is starting to sound like a Theomachist that's also loves to antagonize and is actually craving for whatever attention he/she can conjure up. Good luck and good night Ms M, lol.
Thank you, Jordon, and yes, they are unfortunately deaf to the truth, though we can hope thatWise words , Good scripture to bring up to, if only they would hear tho
changes some day, and if not those who have participated in this thread who cling to their
precepts of men, then perhaps onlookers we may never know about who gained insight into
the true nature of what the free will discussion is all about...
I am sorry to hear about your Aphasia! Good night to you and to Ms @TabinRivCA also!
I may have solved this endless, stupid debate.
After pondering this debate for a minute or two I have a workable solution.
Salvation therefore is 50% divine determinism and 50% freewill.
Everyone happy now?
We call it double Dutch over here, slang for people who don't make sense or don't understand, we say we may as well be speaking double Dutch.
The bible is a dangerous weapon in the wrong hands.
It's also something really that should be taught from a young age when people are innocent tho. Generally what happens people learn it and can't handle the conviction it can bring them.
They get highly argumentative
The reformed would never take that stance. Bearing false witness isn't a good look.