Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Read 1Cor 12 someday. What Paul wrote there was my point which sailed right over your head. God has given different callings and gifts to his Church.
Which likely accounts for why FWers suffer from terminal BS (Brain-dead Syndrome).
These are saved people verses.
I'm talking about the choice to follow God once God makes Himself known.
Nice try
If you want examples today of what Jesus warned against in Matthew 7:21-23?
Look no further than Kenneth Copeland and Kenneth Hagin.
That's only a few of many.
Jesus said that there will be MANY in that day!
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but
the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will
say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in
your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to
them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
They are everywhere to be found.
I understood your viewpoint but I am talking about the Great Commission which is for every single believer to be a witness\disciple for God.
Thank you for the explanation! NBW is not by works... it was one of the longest running and largest threads for quite some time until the op got banned 5 years ago. I spent a lot of time in there... Kind of like how this thread is turning out... God's Word says we are saved not because of anything we have done... that it is according to His will, desire, mercy, compassion, love, foreknowledge etc.
Time flies!
The Great commission was to send Jesus' disciples into the whole world.
Sent to where?
To where no one had yet heard the name of Jesus and the Gospel.
Tell me?
Where today do we have what the great commission has not made known to men, the name of Jesus?
Even Muslims know the name of Jesus! They must distort it as to protect its own tyranny, but the name
of Jesus is known.... and certain Muslims get saved supernaturally in spite of the oppression.
Where is the Name yet to be made known in the world?
They succeeded!
Just because not everyone believes, does not mean the commission did not do its job of making known what men will reject!
You find Bibles all over the world written in the language of their own region.
It is crazy to think we are called today to go into the whole world to tell people about what they already know about.
Just because some choose to reject, does not mean the Name has not been made known.
Mainly today, it is from within themselves they are now to evangelize, to seek out those whom God made ready and want to believe.
In other words?
We need to learn to relax, and be still, knowing He is God...
And, take advantage of that knowledge to be taught more and more sound doctrinal teachings,
that will be provided by a few good men whom God ordained to teach sound doctrine from the foundation of the world.
Too many are chasing after what is not there, being distracted from seeing what God provided for us to be right where we are.
Pray in Jesus name that God will give you sound doctrine for every area of your life!
What the world needs if a Word of God revival.
Sound doctrine.
A reformation of the Reformation for corrections needed.
grace and peace ...........
Once
So, God already made Himself known. To everyone.
"For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse." -- Romans 1:19-20 ESVThese are saved people verses.
I'm talking about the choice to follow God once God makes Himself known.
Nice try
So, God already made Himself known. To everyone.
No, but somebody has been listening avidly to hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of hours of lectures by wise men and scribes who rightly divide the truth.
And? In that passage?
Though God having made Himself known to them?
They did what?
They used their volition to freely REJECT what they were made able to know.
That is why they are without excuse.
God does not coerce in any way to make people believe.
No irresistible grace!
It is so, because it is the answer.
You need to find a pastor who will not instinctively sense what he knows you will want to hear, and then reinforce it.
You need someone who has the capacity and ability to objectively present what the Greek and Hebrew say, while not giving a darn if you resent it, or despise it. Thus, leaving you to be without excuse before God.
Here is what we find today in spades....
For the time will come when people will not tolerate/put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of
teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3
You found yours.
Telling you just what you want/desire something to mean.
While forcing in verses, to make it look like it is so.
Only sound exegesis can save us from that sort of corruption.
You think God would not supply us with teachers of such a good quality?
For the time will come when people will not tolerate/put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of
teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Timothy 4:3
What choir are you preaching to when you promote things that contradict and outright deny what Jesus explicitly stated?
And telling us that God is unfair because He does the very thing the Bible shows Him doing from the beginning of time.
Which is also Him fulfilling His promise to us. But to you? Unfair.
I hope you align your views with Scripture at some point.
The sooner, the better!