Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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cv5 said:
Ridiculous
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Hebrews 11:1-3

1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

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reneweddaybyday said:
for the born again believers ...

1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.


for the natural man ...

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me

The Holy Spirit works within faithful believers who hold forth the truth of Scripture testify of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Will His "word burn in there hearts" if the believer does not hold forth the truth of Scripture?

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If the word doesn't burn in the heart then your will has not been overcome by his will
 
Jordon said:
In- correct

Hebrews 11:1 King James Version

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
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Don't forget he advocates for a dictionary definition, not a Biblical one.

Just as free willers go by a philosophical perspective and not what the Bible actually says.

The world, after all, is at odds with the Spiritual things of God.
 
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reneweddaybyday said:
Hebrews 11:1-3

1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

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Note: The Greek word 'elpis' translated hope; meant having an absolute confidence about something.

grace and peace....
 
Magenta said:
Don't forget he advocates for a dictionary definition, not a Biblical one.

Just as free willers go by a philosophical perspective and not what the Bible actually says.

The world, after all, is at odds with the Spiritual things of God.
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You and some others here are still being stupid about grace-granted free will.
It is not that battered one dimensional straw man you keep clinging to and using.
We are not saying that the naturally born man (devoid of God's grace) has a free will.


Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,​
but whoever hates correction is stupid. Prov 12:1​
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You do not understand Grace. You may cite passages that mention grace.
But, you keep falling short of correctly defining and understanding it.
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So be it....
 
Genez said:
You and some others here are still being stupid about grace-granted free will.
It is not that battered one dimensional straw man you keep clinging to and using.
We are not saying that the naturally born man (devoid of God's grace) has a free will.


Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,​
but whoever hates correction is stupid. Prov 12:1​
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You do not understand Grace. You may cite passages that mention grace.
But, you keep falling short of correctly defining and understanding it.
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So be it....
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Grace by your definition is a reason to hurl accusations at people, grace by God's definition is the power to save.

Get it right.
 
Genez said:
Note: The Greek word 'elpis' translated hope; meant having an absolute confidence about something.

grace and peace....
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I like how you added the word absolute. Either way confidence is still having a belief or deep trust in something. It is not knowing it to be absolute truth.
 
Just_A__Follower said:
I like how you added the word absolute. Either way confidence is still having a belief or deep trust in something. It is not knowing it to be absolute truth.
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Faith is having sat in the chair and the chair holding you up.
If you do not sit you have not exercised faith, you have only thought about the chair and what it promises to do.
 
HeIsHere said:
Faith is having sat in the chair and the chair holding you up.
If you do not sit you have not exercised faith, you have only thought about the chair and what it promises to do.
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Faith is God saying the chair will hold you up and acting upon what God has said.
 
HeIsHere said:
Faith is having sat in the chair and the chair holding you up.
If you do not sit you have not exercised faith, you have only thought about the chair and what it promises to do.
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Faith: trusting that the chair will hold you without having absolute proof that it will.

After you have physically seen that it will hold you then it becomes more than faith. You know it to absolute truth. It’s proven.

Just as we trust God not actually having seen Him or having been provided absolute proof of Him.
 
Just_A__Follower said:
Faith: trusting that the chair will hold you without having absolute proof that it will.

After you have physically seen that it will hold you then it becomes more than faith. You know it to absolute truth. It’s proven.

Just as we trust God not actually having seen Him or having been provided absolute proof of Him.
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What is absolute proof?

I can agree based on how you define this.
 
HeIsHere said:
I would agree the initial step of faith/trust is not based proof but confidence in the evidence.
After salvation the faith/trust is based on ever increasing proof.
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Yes. Mostly what comes after salvation would be spiritual evidence. Spiritual evidence is only visible to the beholder so that it only proves anything to that individual. It can not be used to prove to the masses.
 
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Just_A__Follower said:
Faith: trusting that the chair will hold you without having absolute proof that it will.

After you have physically seen that it will hold you then it becomes more than faith. You know it to absolute truth. It’s proven.

Just as we trust God not actually having seen Him or having been provided absolute proof of Him.
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Spiritual knowledge/proof is as real as sensory knowledge/proof, but I agree many people are deceived, they think they are spiritually regenerated but are not.

I think proof is a complex thing.
 
Just_A__Follower said:
Completely indisputable evidence that is undeniable and leaves absolutely no room for doubt. I would almost say it doesn’t exist in this world besides possibly in physics and mathematics.
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Yes I would agree, I think God set it up that way, people need to trust (which pleases Him) and that is different than acting on proof.
 
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