Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Kroogz]

Wishing you a Merry Christmas, Grinch!

The harsh reality of the reformed/calvie/tulip theory?

We are lying to millions, possibly billions telling them to have a "merry" CHRISTmas.

To the calvie's, it's not very merry for many.

But thank God that is not true. He came for all and died for all.

To ALL, a very merry CHRISTmas!

 

[Rufus]

Just look at the "dogma bullet point" one liner replies that we get.
Its little more than vacuous Reformed propaganda "winter soldier trigger terms".
Sound Bible exegetical treatments are nowhere to be found.

It doesn't take much at all tear down flimsy, anemic, weak heresies. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

 

[Genez]

So Jesus has no royal authority as King of kings and Lord of lords? Jesus is still in servant mode, is He?

Come on.
Distort things, and find an angle to break in with.

The people thought he was just a man.
You forgot?

Likewise...
An excellent pastor.
(Not one who is simply full of himself.)

Will have real authority.
The people may not know why.
He may even speak softly...

For invisible God protects His treasure chests.
Ones that store and contain gold, silver, and precious stones.

Now take a break.
And, go hate yourself some more.

 

[Rufus]

There it is again.

First of all. Not everyone is deceitful.

The Lord was ministering to Jeremiah, who was being anguished and tormented from watching his beloved people fall into gross depravity of the worst kind. Jeremiah was grieved about how they could do such things.

The Lord told Jeremiah (in the Hebrew) something more like this...
(which makes sense once we know the context).

"The heart {emphasis on old sin nature​

wrapped up in mental attitude sins}​

is deceitful/fraudulent/'non-reality' above all {things},​

and 'dangerously sick' (mental attitude sins lead to temporary or permanent​

psychotic conditions).​

Who has the ability to discern it?"​

Instead, of that understanding? As it should be? Some will run with conventional translations as their means
to condemn all people for being deceitful.

After I graduated from Bible college, I learned the context of Jeremiah by finding a pastor who can exegete and explain from the scriptures the horrible depravity the Jews had fallen into. It was totally gross. While the King James made it almost sound like poetry.

It was why God punished the people by having Nebuchadnezzar come in and over run Israel!

The truth is better than fiction.

What self-flattering, self-righteous, willfully ignorant attitude! ALL men are liars! And this is because all men are sinners. And indwelling sin itself is deceitful (Heb 3:13)! So, when you make such stupid, outlandish statement, you're in effect saying that not all men are sinners.

 

[NightTwister]

It is evident that you also do not have a “one flesh” marriage. My parents modeled such for me, and my wife and I also have that relationship, which a young man told us was a good witness for Christ.

Why do you bear false witness against me? Just because your parents did a thing doesn't mean it's for everyone. Also, not everyone has the same /gifts/talents/ministry, even a married couple. I Cor 12.

 

[Rufus]

Come on.
Distort things, and find an angle to break in with.

The people thought he was just a man.
You forgot?

Likewise...
An excellent pastor.
(Not one who is simply full of himself.)

Will have real authority.
The people may not know why.
He may even speak softly...

For invisible God protects His treasure chests.
Ones that store and contain gold, silver, and precious stones.

Now take a break.
And, go hate yourself some more.

I didn't ask what Jesus was...but what He is now, as the REIGNING King of kings and Lord of lords. Do you think Jesus NOW -- in Heaven -- sitting on his Throne -- is the lowly Servant who came into this world to accomplish his Father's will?

 

[cv5]

An unbeliever must be made to believe.

Nowhere is Jesus compelling anyone against their will to believe during His ministry on the earth.
Not even the Apostles.

He did however teach and preach, and anyone who CAME to Him and RECEIVED Him were saved.

 

[rogerg]

This is a perfect example of why the reformed/calvie/tulip crowd remain as spiritual babes/morons. They only see or inject their dogma or theory in 99.9999% of scripture.....and completely miss the vast riches of His word.

Stuck on stupid.

Well, for your own future reference so that you don't make this error again, it is by God, not by man, that one is placed 'in Christ'. He does not do so for everyone but only those chosen for it from before the foundation of the world as stated in Eph 1:4.

[Eph 1:4 KJV] 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

In 1 Co, Paul is addressing only those "called" by God to be saints:

[1Co 1:2 KJV]
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

In 1:27 - 30, it is made clear that those "in Christ" - the saints - are so only because God chose to place them in Him.

[1Co 1:27-30 KJV]
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, [yea], and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

 

[Kroogz]

Why is that? Because God hates sinners, as required by the moral nature of his Love?

The only true insight this gives us......Is the condition of YOUR heart.

 

[Rufus]

The beauty and wonder of the Lord God.

You think the soul cannot appreciate that in whose image it is made?

You deflect from my question. Since YOU do not believe that the grace/power of God has any efficacy to it, then what was ultimate, efficacious mechanism that makes a sinner repent and believe the gospel? Did your dog make you believe the gospel? Your cat? Your pet lizard? Turtle? What?

 

[Kroogz]

Well, for your own future reference so that you don't make this error again, it is by God, not by man, that one is placed 'in Christ'. He does not do so for everyone but only those chosen for it from before the foundation of the world as stated in Eph 1:4.

[Eph 1:4 KJV] 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

In 1 Co, Paul is addressing only those "called" by God to be saints:

[1Co 1:2 KJV]
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

In 1:27 - 30, it is made clear that those "in Christ" - the saints - are so only because God chose to place them in Him.

[1Co 1:27-30 KJV]
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, [yea], and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

He chooses believers.

The moment an unbeliever believes.........They become part of His predesigned plan.

And believing in the Lord Jesus Christ for our salvation........Is PART of HIS predesigned plan. It all comes from Him.

 

[cv5]

He chooses believers.

The moment an unbeliever believes.........They become part of His predesigned plan.

And believing in the Lord Jesus Christ for our salvation........Is PART of HIS predesigned plan. It all comes from Him.

The moment that they say "I DO" to the wedding proposal.
The Calvinist fluked out on this entire course of study. On purpose.
Their failure is on them, not on the teachers and preachers.

 

[rogerg]

He chooses believers.

The moment an unbeliever believes.........They become part of His predesigned plan.

And believing in the Lord Jesus Christ for our salvation........Is PART of HIS predesigned plan. It all comes from Him.

Were that true, it would be of you, not Him, but it's of Him. Everything follows from having been placed in Him including belief. Belief is effect not cause.

 

[Rufus]

The only true insight this gives us......Is the condition of YOUR heart.

The condition of my heart is HONEST by the grace of God. Unlike you FWer heretics, I don't meticulously avoid explicit passages that appear to not square with my theology.

 

[Kroogz]

The moment that they say "I DO" to the wedding proposal.
The Calvinist fluked out on this entire course of study. On purpose.
Their failure is on them, not on the teachers and preachers.

That is a wonderful and insightful study.....The marriage.

The whole Jewish wedding festivals and traditions of it, are marvelously intertwined and tied into our salvation. Years and years worth of study.

 

[rogerg]

That is a wonderful and insightful study.....The marriage.

The whole Jewish wedding festivals and traditions of it, are marvelously intertwined and tied into our salvation. Years and years worth of study.

Not. The earthly is a shadow of the heavenly, not the heavenly a shadow of the earthly. And in the heavenly, Christ only has one bride - the one true spiritual church

 

[Rufus]

Yes and the new revelation to me on this thread, that the "elect" were/are/will be created especially to be chosen, that how they explain away the lack of stated criteria in scripture for "selection."

Very good point regarding the Pharisees, very good point indeed.

Ahh...you're feeling left out as a non-elect? Be of good cheer! God did make TWO lumps of clay. God chose the second lump, as well, albeit for a different purpose (Rom 9:21).

 

[Rufus]

Dead in scripture means separated not inability.

Did you have a point to make? When the soul separates from the body, what ability does the body have to restore itself?

 

[Rufus]

Ephesians 1:4

just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

The "us" is Jesus. Don't you know that Jesus had a multiple personality disorder? I'm sure CV5 will elaborate on that for you.

 

[Kroogz]

Were that true, it would be of you, not Him, but it's of Him. Everything follows from having been placed in Him including belief. Belief is effect not cause.

So you are a worker for salvation. You believe.

Belief has merit don't you know? Obvious sarcasm.

The reformed/calvie/tulip crowd can believe and there is no merit in it........But God forbid someone else BELIEVE, theirs came the pit of hell.

Amazing how the reformed/calvie/tulip crowd can tell us that "A is not A," "belief is not belief," 1 is not 1.".......And some fall for it.