Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[rogerg]

NO special selection process.

God offers the GIFT of salvation to whosoever hears and believes

Regeneration does not precede faith and faith is not a special gift only bequeathed to some, He GIVES all the same opportunity to accept His gift

It’s really that simple He IS THAT sovereign

Thank you Jesus!

Were that true (which it isn't), we all would be under law and works.
Thank you, Lord, that instead, salvation is exclusively by your mercy and grace.

 

[Rosemaryx]

And @Rosemaryx !!! .

@Magenta ...Good evening sister
So glad you added me...I do not say much to be honest but I do notice what is going on so put my little expressions under the posts...I am quite a reserved person , bit of a hermit , but when I feel led to reply to something that I know is not right , I cannot ignore...
I am thankful to you Magenta for using your sword , lots of love Rosemary...Also to our brothers who know how to divide the Word of God correctly...I am learning alot from all your post , and so grateful for that also...xox...

 

[HeIsHere]

Were that true (which it isn't), we all would be under law and works.
Thank you, Lord, that instead, salvation is exclusively by your mercy and grace.

Regeneration does not precede faith, no where found in scripture.

 

[Genez]

well if you believe that's true why say to magenta Your God is a mob boss who gets what he wants. ?

It how He gets what He wants that makes the difference.
She degrades the nature and character of God in how what she claims is expressed.
The way she denies that God reestablishes man's freedom of volition by grace, and how man get impugned to think he has something to say in the matter. It's sick. Just like her avatar is anti-Christian, yet she claims to be the right way for a Christian to think.

What is taking place here is the Spirit's work of separating the genuine from the false.

This is exactly taking place here....

In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, ​

and to some extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be factions among you to show which of ​

you have God’s approval." 1 Corinthians 11:18-19​

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It is part of the process!

It is not about a "bragamony." Those on the false side keep bragging against and belittling the ones who have found truth and peace.
And, when some resistance is shown back? They criticize the very things that have been doing to prompt the resistance.

You can't go back and do it over again once you entered the Lord's evaluation.
Now is the time....

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[Genez]

Regeneration does not precede faith, no where found in scripture.

Don't hold your breath waiting.
They are stuck and can not get out of gear.

You are seen as someone who denies God's sovereignty.

Move on and seek fertile soil.

 

[Jordon]

It how He gets what He wants that makes the difference.
She degrades the nature and character of God in how what she claims is expressed.
The way she denies that God reestablishes man's freedom of volition by grace, and how man get impugned to think he has something to say in the matter. It's sick. Just like her avatar is anti-Christian, yet she claims to be the right way for a Christian to think.

What is taking place here is the Spirit's work of separating the genuine from the false.

This is exactly taking place here....

In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, ​

and to some extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be factions among you to show which of ​

you have God’s approval." 1 Corinthians 11:18-19​

​

It is part of the process!

It is not about a "bragamony." Those on the false side keep bragging against and belittling the ones who have found truth and peace.
And, when some resistance is shown back? They criticize the very things that have been doing to prompt the resistance.

You can't go back and do it over again once you entered the Lord's evaluation.
Now is the time....

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yep I thought you would once again go the this way and not use my invitation to say your sorry to magenta for all unpleasant remarks you've given her, instead you chose to use the invitation as a means to insult her further, I guess when the door is opened for you, you walk in and shout your garbage and walk out.

It's no wonder you've burned your bridges, and I can't see you have any left .

Anyhow I'll leave you to your madness, there's no getting through to that brain of yours

 

[Genez]

And why shouldn't God gets what he wants. Who are you to rule over his sovereignty and will, for all mankind, and who are you to judge a lovely Christian like magenta,

And its pretty sad That's you should call God a mob boss, especially since you know that's not true,

Your problem is you alone , not magenta, or The lord she loves and lives for.

Your problem is you.

Your just a bully with a serious ego problem,

Jordan?

You are coming across as a spiritual wimp.

This is what Jesus is looking for!
And, so far... you can not do this.

Then he said to them all: ​

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“Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross ​

daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever ​

loses their life for me will save it. Luke 9:23-24​

You get personally offended and demand that what offended you personally be put to an end.

Look at what Peter had to go through!
You would have been long gone!
You can not handle it.
You want the likes of a social club.

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From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer ​

many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he ​

must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.​

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Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”​

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Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have ​

in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.” Matthew 16:21-23​

Peter took it.
You are a big wimp!

You get in the way.

You would have tried to civilized Jesus.
Try to turn him into a British gentleman.
You do it here all the time, and take personal offense.
You refuse to deny yourself and take up your cross when truth cuts you the wrong way.
You wanted everybody to get along by having truth compromised to satisfy your own way of wanting to see things done.

“Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross ​

daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever ​

loses their life for me will save it. ​

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.​

 

[Magenta]

@Magenta ...Good evening sister
So glad you added me...I do not say much to be honest but I do notice what is going on so put my little expressions under the posts...I am quite a reserved person , bit of a hermit , but when I feel led to reply to something that I know is not right , I cannot ignore...
I am thankful to you Magenta for using your sword , lots of love Rosemary...Also to our brothers who know how to divide the Word of God correctly...I am learning alot from all your post , and so grateful for that also...xox...

You are welcome dear sweet Rosemary, thank you so much for your support, which I do appreciate
juxtaposed against all the hate I get heh, and I did feel bad for not adding your name to the list
until this morning, but I went to bed quite early last night... my sleep patterns have really changed
as I age and especially post cancer, treatment, and recovery, etc, the five year follow-up which has
just ended with an all clear, God is so good! It does strike me as odd that the liars and deceivers
can say such things as I ignore Jesus when He is in every single post I make, but if there is any
accounting for their constant misrepresentations outside of what Scripture says of false accusers,
it would be in their Pelagian heresy and vain philosophically based self-exalting free will theology.
To that end we can pray God will some day open their eyes so they can see that Scripture plainly gives
the reason why people do not hear, though as you can see we still have those who claim everyone hears.

 

[Jordon]

nope ... you again fixed it for yourself.





I already showed you ... but you cannot see it ... and I cannot "fix that for you" ... that's something only God can work in your heart.

Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

From Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible (bold/underline mine):

... these were made of the skins of beasts, not of the skin of the serpent, as the Targum of Jonathan; but of creatures slain, not merely for this purpose, nor for food, but for sacrifice, as a type of the woman's seed, whose heel was to be bruised, or who was to suffer death for the sins of men; and therefore to keep up and direct the faith of our first parents to the slain Lamb of God from the foundation of the world, and of all believers in all ages, until the Messiah should come and die, and become a sacrifice for sin, the sacrifices of slain beasts were appointed ...​

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yep there's many forms of skins unrelated to animals skin,, why would God need to kill an animal to make a coat.

He could have just hane shaved the wool of a sheep and made some special clothes., But I wonder tho in your eyes you say he killed an animal, has thought crossed your mind he our the animal to sleep for a short while

Seeing as God can form a man from dust, hmm I wonder could he create skin from dust.

It's ok don't answer you'll just fix it for yourself

 

[Jordon]

Jordan?

You are coming across as a spiritual wimp.

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Your narcism doesn't offend me,

Your nothing to me no more

 

[Magenta]

For sadly they too will find themselves with constant insecurity and the continual need to lash out to protect their paltry investment which has negative returns.

Then there is your split tongue talking, mocking security of the saints while defending OSAS.

Your theology is based on shifting sand.

 

[rogerg]

Regeneration does not precede faith, no where found in scripture.

It very is much demonstrated in scripture. Here are just several verses that clearly declare it. We've had this discussion before but, apparently, you were unable to grasp it. This time, try to read these verses more closely. I've underscored the more germane parts.

[2Pe 1:1 KJV] 1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

[1Co 2:10, 12-14 KJV]
10 But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. ...
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

[Act 18:27 KJV] 27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

[1Co 1:30 KJV] 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

[Phl 1:29 KJV] 29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

[Tit 3:5-6 KJV] 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

 

[Rufus]

NO special selection process.

God offers the GIFT of salvation to whosoever hears and believes

Regeneration does not precede faith and faith is not a special gift only bequeathed to some, He GIVES all the same opportunity to accept His gift

It’s really that simple He IS THAT sovereign

Thank you Jesus!

You can thank Jesus for merely being your potential Savior; But I thank and praise him for actually rescuing me from the kingdom of darkness just like He rescued the ancient Hebrews from Pharaoh's dark kingdom.

 

[Rufus]

nope ... you again fixed it for yourself.





I already showed you ... but you cannot see it ... and I cannot "fix that for you" ... that's something only God can work in your heart.

Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

From Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible (bold/underline mine):

... these were made of the skins of beasts, not of the skin of the serpent, as the Targum of Jonathan; but of creatures slain, not merely for this purpose, nor for food, but for sacrifice, as a type of the woman's seed, whose heel was to be bruised, or who was to suffer death for the sins of men; and therefore to keep up and direct the faith of our first parents to the slain Lamb of God from the foundation of the world, and of all believers in all ages, until the Messiah should come and die, and become a sacrifice for sin, the sacrifices of slain beasts were appointed ...​

.

There's zero evidence that Adam exercised any faith -- just like there's zero evidence that God placed enmity between Adam and the Serpent. But Adam had to have belonged to one of the two seeds mentioned in Gen 3:15. Since Adam could not logically proceed from Eve's godly seed, this leaves him with only one other option: He was the seed of the Serpent.

 

[Rufus]

Not hardly! But what you said above could easily be applied to Dispensational Theology, as I've been reading for the last several years now how that convoluted system of eschatology is not nearly as popular as it once was; for people are shifting more and more to either Amillenialism or Postmillenialism.

@Rufus, well we agree, that is why I am not a dispensationalist either. [/QUOTE]

I think this might be the first time -- and hopefully not the last.

 

[Magenta]

Regeneration does not precede faith, no where found in scripture.

Free will is nowhere in Scripture. In fact it contradicts explicitly articulated Scripture verses. A plethora of them.

 

[Magenta]

God will not be mocked.

Yet you tell us He is unfair and agree with him who calls God a rapist and
an unjust tyrannical monster kidnapping people against their free will.

Will you burn in hell for an eternity for your blasphemies?.

 

[Solitude]

 

[Jackson129]

There's zero evidence that Adam exercised any faith -- just like there's zero evidence that God placed enmity between Adam and the Serpent. But Adam had to have belonged to one of the two seeds mentioned in Gen 3:15. Since Adam could not logically proceed from Eve's godly seed, this leaves him with only one other option: He was the seed of the Serpent.

If you are created from the dust how.are you anyone's seed? Adam was the first human a new creation.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

the five year follow-up which has just ended with an all clear

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