Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Rufus]

Jesus appeared to use words to push away the Canaanite woman, referring to Gentile people as dogs.
Jesus told His disciples not to go in the way of the Gentiles.
When Christ was risen, it was only after the Jews rejected their Messiah that Christ's ministry's focus then went out to the Gentiles.
Jesus said salvation was of the Jews.
There was no pre-Christian LXX.
Jesus never quoted from a pre-Christian LXX.
That is simply a myth and a fantasy that does not align with the Scriptures.



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Yet, there He was for 3-1/2 years making the Galilee of the Dogs his home base. Do you know what a paradox is?

And did not Jesus know that the Canaanite woman with whom he was speaking had a heart full of faith? Have you considered that Jesus' remarks to her were designed to draw the very expression of faith out of her that she made to him?

 

[Rufus]

What kind of crazy person would put their faith and hope in a salvation lottery that they didn't even participate in conducted by a God that they think is evil?

HUMBLE people who know they cannot do for themselves what the Gospel says Christ did for sinners, and , therefore, are in dire need of Christ's rescuing power.

 

[Rufus]

Tim Keller, John Piper, John MacArthur, and Albert Mohler.....To name a tiny few.



I agree.

Just to add, they don't think He is evil.......They have the word salads and never ending intellectual complexities to TRY to explain that inevitable conclusion away.......Their god is evil.

Why?

 

[Jordon]

@cv5 @Kroogz, I find it almost pointless to continue back and forth with Calvinists, as when people points out how retarded and inconsistent their system is when taking it logically and consistently, they still accept it. All of their answers are based around either the elect, total depravity, or God’s glory. But even those answers leads to more questions to which ultimately they have no answer for. Such as why would God do that? Why would He have people to be totally depraved at birth? Why would He have people eternally decreed to be damned? How would that bring God glory? It doesn’t make any sense that God is going to create man to simply damn them because man deserved to be eternally damned.

There only calvinism which is an an imaginary idea The doctrine if grace only originated from John Calvin, which you promote more than anyone else teaching grace here

Question

Where does Grace originate from ?

 

[Rufus]

Based on this definition not even God has freewill because he is constrained by his nature to not do evil.

Maybe God doesn't have a "freewill" in the way the world believes. God could be immutably enslaved to his holy, righteous and good nature -- just like sinners are immutably enslaved to sin, their sin nature, the devil and the world.

 

[Dino246]

yes my church leader does contradict because my church leader says the doctrine of grace, which is only accredited to to John Calvin, by what he called narcissists around the world are wrong to do so

Again, your post doesn’t make sense.

 

[HeIsHere]

It's "retarded" to you because you do not understand the fullness God's gospel of grace, hence, you trust in your works instead of God's.

There is that "you do not understand."

 

[cv5]

@cv5 @Kroogz, I find it almost pointless to continue back and forth with Calvinists, as when people points out how retarded and inconsistent their system is when taking it logically and consistently, they still accept it. All of their answers are based around either the elect, total depravity, or God’s glory. But even those answers leads to more questions to which ultimately they have no answer for. Such as why would God do that? Why would He have people to be totally depraved at birth? Why would He have people eternally decreed to be damned? How would that bring God glory? It doesn’t make any sense that God is going to create man to simply damn them because man deserved to be eternally damned.

As has been demonstrated, the free will-volition-choice-consequences matrix is hard-wired into Scripture innumerable times.
Yes the precedent has been set, yes the evidence is overwhelming, yes we all know (or should know).

But, men continue to willfully choose the lie. Tragic, yes, but all that we can do is watch the train wreck after issuing the many strident warnings I'm afraid.

Jos 6:17
“Now the city shall be doomed by the LORD to destruction, it and all who are in it. Only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all who are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.

Jos 6:25
And Joshua spared Rahab the harlot, her father's household, and all that she had. So she dwells in Israel to this day, because she hid the messengers whom Joshua sent to spy out Jericho.

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Another proof lost on the Calvinists.

[2Ki 6:5 KJV]
But as one was felling a beam, the axe head fell into the water: and he cried, and said, Alas, master! for it was borrowed.

[2Ki 6:6 KJV]
And the man of God (God-man) said, Where fell it? And he shewed him the place. And he cut down a stick, and cast [it] in thither; and the iron did swim.

[2Ki 6:7 KJV]
Therefore said (COMMANDED) he (the God-man), Take [it] up to thee. And he put out his hand, and took it.

 

[Jordon]

Again, your post doesn’t make sense.

that's fine your entitled to your comments

But where does Grace originate from

 

[cv5]

Maybe God doesn't have a "freewill" in the way the world believes. God could be immutably enslaved to his holy, righteous and good nature -- just like sinners are immutably enslaved to sin, their sin nature, the devil and the world.

You sound like a very religious person. There is no shortage of those.....

 

[sawdust]

Still no verses, huh?

How is someone who never heard the gospel have equal privilege and equal opportunity?

GRACE

Matt.20:15
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things? Or is your eye evil because I am good?

Luke 12:47-49
47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.


I am beginning to have my doubts about you when you ask such questions as above. You certainly know a doctrine but I wonder if you know the heart of the Lord.

 

[Jordon]

Again, your post doesn’t make sense.

Maybe this will help.

People like to preach grace


People like to say you must be John Calvin

 

[Rufus]

Calvinism is an inconsistent doctrine and theology. Here’s why: If God has eternally decreed every thought, choice, action, motive, desire, etc etc, then in consistent Calvinism, Romans 9 would be “O man, who are you to reply against God? You’re the man who has been eternally decreed to reply against God. How dare you do what God ordained you to do from eternity? Oh, and by the way, you are going to be rebuked and eternally punished for doing what you were eternally determined and decreed to do”— all while Calvinism teaches and believes God is righteous, holy, loving and just. Can’t have it both ways.

Prove it and answer my questions that I presented a few days ago to all you humanistic FWers re Act 4:27-28 Job 1:8-12 and explain to me how God is not morally culpable for the death of his own Son, and how He isn't culpable for all the losses Job suffered at the hand of the devil which included numerous loss of lives.

I'll be waiting with bated breath...

 

[HeIsHere]

At every turn you are VERY antagonistic to His Gospel.

It is beyond belief how scripture is twisted and pulled out of context, then on top of that, have no compunction about doing so.

 

[rogerg]

It is beyond belief how scripture is twisted and pulled out of context, then on top of that, have no compunction about doing so.

Right back atcha

 

[Rufus]

GRACE

Matt.20:15
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things? Or is your eye evil because I am good?

Luke 12:47-49
47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.


I am beginning to have my doubts about you when you ask such questions as above. You certainly know a doctrine but I wonder if you know the heart of the Lord.

Self-awareness isn't your schtick, is it? The Lukian passage itself refutes your absurd notion of equality and equity. Obviously, there are two groups of people in the passage: To one group, much [knowledge] was given; to the second group less knowledge was given. And both groups will answer differently to the Lord on judgement day, according to what they were given.

 

[Cameron143]

GRACE

Matt.20:15
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things? Or is your eye evil because I am good?

Luke 12:47-49
47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.


I am beginning to have my doubts about you when you ask such questions as above. You certainly know a doctrine but I wonder if you know the heart of the Lord.

Millions upon millions of people since the cross never heard the gospel. Millions upon millions never heard the the name Jesus. This isn't in dispute. The gospel didn't even come to America until the 15th century. This is merely 1 of a myriad of examples I could share. The statement that all have had equal opportunity is absurd.

 

[cv5]

how God is not morally culpable for the death of his own Son, ***and how He isn't culpable for all the losses Job*** suffered at the hand of the devil which included numerous loss of lives.

Jhn 10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

So you do CHOOSE to blame God for every sin of the devil, and every sin of man to boot?
Sounds unwise......

 

[Cameron143]

GRACE

Matt.20:15
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things? Or is your eye evil because I am good?

Luke 12:47-49
47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.


I am beginning to have my doubts about you when you ask such questions as above. You certainly know a doctrine but I wonder if you know the heart of the Lord.

I also find it odd that you judge another's experience of God's love by the questions they ask and not on the way they treat others.

 

[Rufus]

You sound like a very religious person. There is no shortage of those.....

So, I guess you do believe that God's will is free, right, even though He cannot make any choices contrary to his nature? If so, explain to me how His will is free.