Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Genez said:
God draws all men.


The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness ​
and wickedness of men, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since ​
what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it ​
plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—​
his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood ​
from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. Romans 1:18-20​
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God sends in missionaries where he finds positive volition.
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The revelation of God through creation and conscience is not God drawing an individual.

When God is drawing someone, there is revelation of the person of Jesus as the Christ given. See Matthew 16: 15-18. And that's how the church is built.

In salvation, God isn't responding to the individual; the individual is responding to God.
 
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Jordon said:
so will you 😭🤐
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Do you really believe God has eternally decreed people to damnation without any choice to be saved? If you do, why? And why do you believe God would do such a thing? The consistent teaching of Calvinism believe that. Surely, you do not.

Please read these verses next time you decide to believe in Calvinism

Eph. 4:14; Col. 2:8; Heb. 13:9
 
Cameron143 said:
The revelation of God through creation and conscience is not God drawing an individual.

When God is drawing someone, there is revelation of the person of Jesus as the Christ given.
See Matthew 16: 15-18. And that's how the church is built.

In salvation, God isn't responding to the individual; the individual is responding to God.
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Matthew 16 verses 15-17 ~ What about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven.
 
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The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. The world does not recognize Him. No one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him. The one who loves God is known by God. If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The mind that is set on the flesh is hostile toward God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it. Whoever is not from God does not listen to us.
 
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Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom (2 Cor ch 3 v 17). If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ (Rom 8 v 9b). The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him (from John 14 v 17). Those not in Christ are not free (see Heb 2 v 15). Praise God if He has rescued you from the dominion of darkness! (see Col 1 v 13)
 
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Matthew 11 verse 27 ~ All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Yes, but they have heard of Jesus. Millions upon millions since the cross never heard of Jesus, and you think they had equal opportunity. That's simply wrong.
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I was a Jew who simply read a tract and became saved without knowing what had happened to me.
I had no Christian Bible understanding ....

All I did was to believe Jesus was beautiful man of God. A man who loved God so much, that he died on a cross so I could also love God like he did. Obviously, I had no theological training.

He saved me in spite of all my ignorance at the time of believing.
He gave me a dream of some place that took me ten years to find.
It turned out to be the Bible college I attended.
When I was given the dream there was no Bible college there.

It is only after salvation that doctrinal teaching becomes critical to either maturing in Christ, or failing to mature.

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Both sides believe they have the truth, therefore, both believe they cannot be wrong. As the result, both sides believe the other side is automatically wrong and are false before hearing the others side. Both sides ask the other to provide evidence. Both sides do. Both sides say the other is misusing it or taking it out of context. Both sides believe they show how the other is taking verses out of context. Argument begin. Name calling begins. And around and around we go.
 
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2 Corinthians 4 v 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
 
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Genez said:
I was a Jew who simply read a tract and became saved without knowing what had happened to me.
I had no Christian Bible understanding ....

All I did was to believe Jesus was beautiful man of God. A man who loved God so much, that he died on a cross so I could also love God like he did. Obviously, I had no theological training.

He saved me in spite of all my ignorance at the time of believing.
He gave me a dream of some place that took me ten years to find.
It turned out to be the Bible college I attended.
When I was given the dream there was no Bible college there.

It is only after salvation that doctrinal teaching becomes critical to either maturing in Christ, or failing to mature.

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If you knew that Jesus died for you then you knew He was Messiah. To know that and be saved means God revealed it to you. That's how Jesus added you to the church.
 
Both sides cannot be right when it comes to very important matters. So either I’m right and saved, or I’m lost and damned. Or, either the other side is right and saved, or are lost and damned. No middle ground.
 
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