Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Blue155 said:
So, we don’t have free will, yet you freely chose to use your will to say you don’t have free will?
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Taken captive to do the will of the devil is called free will by some.

Maybe just chill. Have some apple pie with vanilla ice cream.

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Blue155 said:
You have not, but you are freely inclined to feel that way (as does unbelievers), which proves they are exercising the same choice that you claim to now have as a believer (free will) that you say unbelievers don’t have.
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You are entitled to your own opinion, also entitled to discuss it but you're not entitled to expect others to accept your opinion as gospel. If you really think free will really exists in our fallen state, why do you want to deny it to those who disagree with you?

Also, you don't seem to understand the difference between choice and will.
 
LifelongLearner said:
You are entitled to your own opinion, also entitled to discuss it but you're not entitled to expect others to accept your opinion as gospel. If you really think free will really exists in our fallen state, why do you want to deny it to those who disagree with you?

Also, you don't seem to understand the difference between choice and will.
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Many do not make the distinction between the ability to make choices and having a will that is free, the same way they
are intent on ascribing to the natural man qualities, characteristics, and abilities possessed only by the spiritual man.
 
LifelongLearner said:
You are entitled to your own opinion, also entitled to discuss it but you're not entitled to expect others to accept your opinion as gospel. If you really think free will really exists in our fallen state, why do you want to deny it to those who disagree with you?

Also, you don't seem to understand the difference between choice and will.
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That’s ok. I want the Mickey Mouse shaped chocolate bar lol 😆
 
Magenta said:
Many do not make the distinction between the ability to make choices and having a will that is free, the same way they
are intent on ascribing to the natural man qualities, characteristics, and abilities possessed only by the spiritual man.
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It is understandable, we're old enough to remember when they were recognised as having similarities for sure, however, many see them as interchangeable now. I do think it's a deliberate conflation, there definitely is a general dumbing down in education.
They're not interchangeable but we can't make the blind see sadly.
 
LifelongLearner said:
I do think it's a deliberate conflation, there definitely is a general dumbing down in education.
They're not interchangeable but we can't make the blind see sadly.
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Right. Even those who are life long learners fall in this category *takes a bite out of a sandwich*
 
Genez said:
The only thing it comes down to when you get like that?
Is that you wish to disrupt any further dialogue that might better clarify the topic.
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This is just another one of your evasive answers.

And maybe you should look at the word irresistible here m.

Was it irresistible for you to answer this way, well ?

Well is it always irresistible for you to give the most credible answer ?

What foods do you find irresistible m

What foods do you not find irresistible..

So if you can see sir I'm using human reasoning to define irresistible grace.

Just like you are doing m.

Because all tho the lords grace is sufficient for whom he saves, for them people they found his grace irresistible.

But for others sir they found his His Godly sorrow, not worthy of changing there ways m. Because Gods grace says it's kindness what I want m.
 
Blue155 said:
Right. Even those who are life long learners fall in this category *takes a bite out of a sandwich*
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Some Lifelonglearners for sure but never this one! :p
Heh! Course i agree, we all mess up for sure, it's how often and seriously we, collective we that is, differ on.
 
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