Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Genez said:
God's Choice?

God chose out from all the people that he knew would believe?
Only some... to be the bride of Christ.
That is what we have been chosen for!

For he chose when we are to be born and to believe.
Which is during the Church age - to make us the Bride.

But, He does not choose who is to believe, and who is not to believe.

To say He chooses who is to believe, and who is not to believe?
Is to make God heartless and cruel.

For He could have just as easily chosen someone destined to Hell, to believe in that case.

We need to be logical and make sense.
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who says he chooses who not to believe but you on countless occasions.

He chooses who to hand over to the son, his message is all about a personal walk with the father first for everyone.

I'll say it again to, everyone, and you've had that explained to you why and how he does have a relationship with everyone.

Why will you not accept these answers

He can choose what ever he wants, and he does that by knowing your whole life.

He chooses by knowing your state of sorrow from his sorrow for all sinners
 
Jordon said:
who says he chooses who not to believe but you on countless occasions.

He chooses who to hand over to the son, his message is all about a personal walk with the father first for everyone.

I'll say it again to, everyone, and you've had that explained to you why and how he does have a relationship with everyone.

Why will you not accept these answers

He can choose what ever he wants, and he does that by knowing your whole life.

He chooses by knowing your state of sorrow from his sorrow for all sinners
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When he does not have a relationship with everyone.

That is the point.

He does not have a relationship with those who want to reject Him.

Maybe, someone from your side should explain to you that what you said makes no sense?

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Romans 8:5 suggests dual minds within each individual, and Romans 8:6 distinguishes between the mind of the flesh and the mind of the Spirit, one is death and the other is life and peace. And Romans 8:2 teaches that "For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death.

The summary of the context teaches that you can't do these simultaneously. You can't walk in the flesh while walking in the Spirit and vice versa. And Romans 8:11 teaches the 'end' of the path of life and peace "will give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you."

And Romans 8:15 makes further distinction between the two spirits, the former "of slavery that returns to you fear" and the latter "of adoption to sonship"

And, if you can't convince a body of the latter then what are you even preaching for?!
 
Genez said:
When he does not have a relationship with everyone.

That is the point.

He does not have a relationship with those who want to reject Him.

Maybe, someone from your side should explain to you that what you said makes no sense?

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what your saying now is exactly the same thing as you said be before.

He's still choosing who he will no longer help to believe.

No one is without excuse which means everyone gets.a chance to believe..

Not one person is without excuse not one.

Which means everyone. Is given the same treatment,.when he chooses not to help them anymore.

And he does that by knowing a persons whole life ,,🤩
 
Jordon said:
what your saying now is exactly the same thing as you said be before.

He's still choosing who he will no longer help to believe.

No one is without excuse which means everyone gets.a chance to believe..

Not one person is without excuse not one.

Which means everyone. Is given the same treatment,.when he chooses not to help them anymore.

And he does that by knowing a persons whole life ,,🤩
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Excellent comment, Bro!
 
Jordon said:
what your saying now is exactly the same thing as you said be before.

He's still choosing who he will no longer help to believe.
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Did you mean that he chooses whom he will not longer continue drawing?

Is that what you were saying?
 
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When you find out we can, tell me. Thanks. If you find out we can’t, then what were you exercising to find out?
 
OLDBUTNEW said:
Excellent comment, Bro!
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If you haven't noticed already noticed,..our friend genez is obsessed with not
Taking answers from people whom he has determined in his mind to be Calvinists.

And his only disagreement wth the doctrine of tulip he keeps going on about is, irresistible grace should be enabling grace to choose.
Despite being told the doctrine of tulip starts of with nobody is worthy not one.. he refuses to see that irresistible grace does mean enabling grace also.

And there for us lot think we have been chosen to be saved and nobody else has, because irresistible grace to him means your transformed without having to choose.

Basically he's off his rocker
 
Jordon said:
If you haven't noticed already noticed,..our friend genez is obsessed with not
Taking answers from people whom he has determined in his mind to be Calvinists.

And his only disagreement wth the doctrine of tulip he keeps going on about is, irresistible grace should be enabling grace to choose.
Despite being told the doctrine of tulip starts of with nobody is worthy not one.. he refuses to see that irresistible grace does mean enabling grace also.

And there for us lot think we have been chosen to be saved and nobody else has, because irresistible grace to him means your transformed without having to choose.

Basically he's off his rocker
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I know what you, mean, Bro!
 
@everyone when you all find out we can exercise free will, tell me. If you all find out we can’t, then what were you all exercising to find out?
 
Jordon said:
If you haven't noticed already noticed,..our friend genez is obsessed with not
Taking answers from people whom he has determined in his mind to be Calvinists.

And his only disagreement wth the doctrine of tulip he keeps going on about is, irresistible grace should be enabling grace to choose.
Despite being told the doctrine of tulip starts of with nobody is worthy not one.. he refuses to see that irresistible grace does mean enabling grace also.

And there for us lot think we have been chosen to be saved and nobody else has, because irresistible grace to him means your transformed without having to choose.

Basically he's off his rocker
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The only thing it comes down to when you get like that?
Is that you wish to disrupt any further dialogue that might better clarify the topic.
 
Genez said:
Question:

Is free will different than freedom of choice when God grants us something to choose about?
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It's volition we are using when we make a choice so how can they be different except to maybe say choice is the product of the will. But even so, if the choice is free, then the will must be free to make a free choice.
 
Genez said:
It's coming from both sides.
And, the person you just posted is not innocent either.

We are in spiritual warfare.
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Considering her first response to me in this thread was a complete shutdown of discussion, I find her comments completely disingenuous.
 
Genez said:
This is how it happens.
Just like you did.

I simply said there is no innocent party here.

Just look at what you said here!



You really are in no position to complain.
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Oh bless! The self deception is strong with this one Lord, please forgive him because he really might not understand he has a problem. 🙏:)

Seriously now, just look at the bunch of trolls you hang around with, i noticed GWH was accused of being a troll on one of his own threads, by a pretty sound, respected person here. At least he didn't deny it, that time anyway. Most of you lot are bullies as well as trolls, full of cant and hypocrisy and just spout drivel which isn't even genuinely spiritual, let alone convincing.

However, you've picked on the wrong person this time, on my own thread too. I actually loathe/am disgusted by most of you but will throw my two bobsworth in occasionally, such spite and malice needs an occasional slap for sure.
 
Genez said:
I did not choose Jesus to be saved.
I could not know it was real.

But, I had been positive to God revealing His essence to me in His drawing of me.
I did not even know what it was that God was exposing me to while being drawn.
I just knew I wished it were real.

God saves those who are positive in response to His essence.
Those who respond positively while he brings us into the realm of being able to sense things about god, (his drawing), done without us knowing it is God.

When God determines someone is ready?
That is when we are shown the physical manifestation of who and what He is.
Jesus Christ!

Since we were proven by God to be positive to His essence?
Being drawn and handed over to Jesus is the moment we can attach something tangible to what so intrigued us in love while being drawn.

So, when seeing Jesus portrayed in the Gospels? It is having the invisible essence suddenly materialize into our physically perceived world of tangible living.

We don't simply choose to believe.
Matter of fact.
I almost felt Jesus was too good to be true.

He understands our confusion, and saves us to show us He is real.
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Let’s try again without serving us a word salad.

Are you smarter to understand Scripture, more moral, and a generally better person than those that refuse Jesus after they hear the Gospel?

Or, being dead, did God “quicken” you, so that when you heard the Gospel, you believed and received Him?

Which is it?

In either case, explain WHY the lost refuse Him.
 
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