prior to Jesus telling us this prayer HE provided a list of things that hinder your prayers.
Can we pray amiss?
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prior to Jesus telling us this prayer HE provided a list of things that hinder your prayers.
God doesn't have to listen to anyone, he is God. People forget about this, but there are many times in the Bible when society became so wicked like as today and God tells the prophets and good men of the Bible not to pray for their good and says he will no longer listen to this peoples' prayers.
For I cried to him for help with praises ready on my tongue. He would not have listened if I had not confessed my sins. But he listened! He heard my prayer! He paid attention to it! Blessed be God, who didn’t turn away when I was praying and didn’t refuse me his kindness and love.
Psalm 66:17-20 (The Living Bible)
Jeremiah 14:11-12
11 Then said the Lord unto me, Pray not for this people for their good.
12 When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, I will not accept them: but I will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence.
No ---not to me ---You don't ignore Scripture -----you ask the Holy Spirit for revelation ---wisdom and understanding of the Scripture ------you pay attention to all scripture -----as it is God's word and is the truth ----to ignore it is to not believe it -----
This is what this says about the Lords Prayer for today -------
https://faithgracejesus.com/2018-09/jesus-on-the-cross-lords-prayer.html
Jesus on the cross makes the difference. The devil rejoices over every “Lord’s Prayer” prayed
SEPTEMBER 30, 2018
When reading the Bible, it is always important to note who is speaking, to whom, when, and in what context. Take the “Lord’s Prayer” as an example.
When did Jesus give the “Lord’s Prayer”? It was before His crucifixion; that is, before He, with His sacrificial death, had reconciled us to God irrevocably and forever, regardless of what we do (“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.” – Ephesians 2:8-9; NIV)
The “Lord’s Prayer” is the guidance on how to pray under the law, in the Old Covenant.
Every time you pray the “Lord’s Prayer,” the devil is happy. Why? Well, you are reversing what Jesus has already acquired for you on the cross because you are again praying for the conditions of the Old Covenant. I don’t want to know how Jesus, who was tortured and slaughtered as our sacrificial lamb, feels about that.
The devil “comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.” (Jesus in John 10:10; NIV)
https://faithgracejesus.com/2018-09/jesus-on-the-cross-lords-prayer.html
Jesus on the cross makes the difference. The devil rejoices over every “Lord’s Prayer” prayed
SEPTEMBER 30, 2018
When reading the Bible, it is always important to note who is speaking, to whom, when, and in what context. Take the “Lord’s Prayer” as an example.
When did Jesus give the “Lord’s Prayer”? It was before His crucifixion; that is, before He, with His sacrificial death, had reconciled us to God irrevocably and forever, regardless of what we do (“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.” – Ephesians 2:8-9; NIV)
The “Lord’s Prayer” is the guidance on how to pray under the law, in the Old Covenant.
Every time you pray the “Lord’s Prayer,” the devil is happy. Why? Well, you are reversing what Jesus has already acquired for you on the cross because you are again praying for the conditions of the Old Covenant. I don’t want to know how Jesus, who was tortured and slaughtered as our sacrificial lamb, feels about that.
The devil “comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.” (Jesus in John 10:10; NIV)
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Here is the real Question ------Is the Lord's Prayer for today for the Born Again Person ?????-----
No, these scriptures are for the jews during the tribulation.
And lead us not into temptation: Not exactly what it says, for a definite article is missing before the word temptation. What the scripture says is ---- And lead us not into "the" temptation. When a definite article is placed before the word temptation it changes the meaning to a trial or testing aka tribulation. Many bible versions try to capture this by saying trial or testing instead of temptation
And keep us from evil or evil one, in this case both can be correct.
So, my conclusion is this: And keep us from the tribulation, and from the antichrist.
Here is the real Question ------Is the Lord's Prayer for today for the Born Again Person ?????-----
No, these scriptures are for the jews during the tribulation.
And lead us not into temptation: Not exactly what it says, for a definite article is missing before the word temptation. What the scripture says is ---- And lead us not into "the" temptation. When a definite article is placed before the word temptation it changes the meaning to a trial or testing aka tribulation. Many bible versions try to capture this by saying trial or testing instead of temptation
And keep us from evil or evil one, in this case both can be correct.
So, my conclusion is this: And keep us from the tribulation, and from the antichrist.
That doesn't make any sense considering a large part about the coming of God's kingdom is Jesus coming to kill Satan. Let him remember from time to time his days are numbered and his side has lost before the battle even began, he's going to die, praise Jesus!
I fully disagree with this statement. God is the same............ALWAYS! And so are His Commandments,,,,,,
Even under Grace, we are fully required to exhibit that grace to others; even our enemies. Our refusing to forgive places a "dark spot" in our hearts..............
God extends grace, and so should we...........Jesus did not LIE!
i'll follow what Jesus said if it's all the same to you.......
It doesn’t matter to me what you do…it's your walk.
But if you are going to follow what Jesus stated you may want to consider the scripture that I put in my original post.
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
Those words on forgiveness that Paul wrote .... are from Jesus… They may not be in red, but they are just as much Jesus's words as if He were right here. The aforementioned scripture... and the gospels were all, as Galatians 1:12 states → by revelation of/from Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
When I went to scripture to find out what God considers lusts, I found a very different picture than this post. Our Father wants us to live as if the kingdom of heaven were here on this earth, to only live in the world kingdom as strangers. Here is what I found about the lusts of this world:
James 1:4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
We would not make ourselves an enemy of God when we want God to do something for us.
Marl 4 15:19 but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth, and the desire for other things come in and choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.
God would not help us achieve what he finds harms us.
Our prayers must work at being in harmony with the Lord.
What I said in my post was scriptural. I'm not why you think you found something different from scripture, but okay good luck.
I'm sorry, as I read this my post does come out a bit arrogant. I got so caught up in what it seemed to me at the time was adding to your post and I was responding to the "they were coveting each other’s property and spouses". It made me wonder just what biblical lusts were. Strong's bible dictionary helped me in my search.
If please, you would forgive my arrogance, what do you think of what Strong's has to say about what God considers lust?
Wait a minute: you say forgiveness is no longer required, then you post 2 scriptures from the NT that say it still is. Explain please ...
From what I can tell, the word lust used in James 4:3 is used 5 times in the New Testament: Luke 8:14, Titus 3:3, James 4:1, James 4:3, and 2 Peter 2:13.
Lusts seems to be able physical pleasures just reading through those verses. I know there are more verses we can probably infer something about lusts. There’s G1939 and G2237 in the Strong’s and they’re similar. There’s a lot of verses they are used in and they seem to be about physical pleasure sometimes and other times about desiring something (often something forbidden.)
LOL --This statement you make below here ---is the biggest COP OUT EVER -------I say -----
Please don't use the corrupt NIV. I automatically ignore any text from this Luciferian version.
I say ---
And I just looked up your Keith Piper ------He has been under fire for saying this below -----and you listen to this Pastor ---WOW -----Sounds like Lucifer himself not a Pastor from God -- -----
https://www.christiantoday.com/arti...alls-islam-a-cancer-we-must-destroy/111064.ht
Australian Baptist church under fire for pastor who calls Islam 'a cancer we must destroy'
In a video on his Youtube channel last year, Piper called the Islamic Qur'an 'a virus infecting the brains [of Muslims]', and said Australian schools were rejecting western values and teaching 'sodomy'.
'Ungodly, leftist western leaders are afraid to teach the Bible, salvation and Christian values in state schools,' he said in April. 'Instead they teach sodomy and how to become a weirdo.
That seems to be in agreement with strong's dictionary, but as you can see by the verses I copied, it is more specific.
The dictionary did not limit itself to only verses using the word lust. They include the idea of what God considers as lust on the teaching Christ did about the kingdom of heaven as opposed to the kingdom of the world. I think they are correct in doing that. To be in harmony with the Lord in prayer, to want his will, this would be important.
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that sounds heroic
not what you said in your other post though
let's not play games
yeah yeah I know...you are not playing games
and I quote:
Here is the real Question ------Is the Lord's Prayer for today for the Born Again Person ?????------
Jesus was using it as a teaching tool for His Disciples who ask Jesus how they should Pray -------before His death and resurrection -----
Some of what is for the asking in this Prayer is already DONE for Believers ----by asking for something that Jesus already accomplished for us is like saying ------you don't believe in what Jesus did accomplish on the Cross ----so you have to keep asking ------
All True Believers are already forgiven for their Trespasses ------so why would we be asking for this again -----
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