Can the elect of God ever be unborn again?
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Romans 8
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?...
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Romans 8:38-39 Psalm 91:11 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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elect (MT 24:22,24&31) = disciples (MT 28:7-8,13,16&19) = reborn (JN 3:3&7) = believers (JN 3:16, 5:24, 6:35-40 & 20:29) = saints (ACTS 9:32, RM 1:7, 8:27) = Christians (ACTS 11:26, 26:28) = saved (ACTS 16:30-31) = those in Christ (RM 8:1, EPH 1:1-13) = Spirit-led (RM 8:2-16) = children/sons/heirs of God (RM 8:14-21) = sanctified/church member (1CR 1:2) = God's people (1CR 16:1) = church/saints (2CR 1:1 = the faithful/holy (EPH 1:1, PHP 1:2) = chosen in Christ (EPH 1:4-11) = members of God's household (EPH 2:19) = soldier/worker (PHL v.2&24)
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Romans 8:38-39 Psalm 91:11 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
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OP question: Can the elect of God ever be unborn again?
No! Born again is a spiritual event (Jn 3:3 - 1 Pet 1:23). Only Jesus can preform this spiritual transformation (Matt 3:11, Lk 3:16, Mk 1:8, Jn 1:33)
God's eternal life giving Holy Spirit is a Gift (Acts 10:45, 11:17) Received thru FAITH: Rom 3:24, 4:16, 5:1-2, 15, "11:6", "Eph 2:5 & 8".
Grace is also a free God given GIFT received thru FAITH.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
(MY PARSING: God's Grace has a name. It's Jesus the Christ)
No! Born again is a spiritual event (Jn 3:3 - 1 Pet 1:23). Only Jesus can preform this spiritual transformation (Matt 3:11, Lk 3:16, Mk 1:8, Jn 1:33)
God's eternal life giving Holy Spirit is a Gift (Acts 10:45, 11:17) Received thru FAITH: Rom 3:24, 4:16, 5:1-2, 15, "11:6", "Eph 2:5 & 8".
Grace is also a free God given GIFT received thru FAITH.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
(MY PARSING: God's Grace has a name. It's Jesus the Christ)
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Jesus is the grafter, the only One that can graft a person into the spiritual kingdom of heaven. Anyone (at anytime) that sincerely asks Jesus for sin forgiveness & confesses Him As Lord, believing He was raised from the dead. Will be forgiven & saved FOREVER!
Rom 10:
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
And just like us they were never worthy either. That's the BIG part your side of this debate NEVER seem to consider, we are all going to hell outside of His grace. God doesn't have to chose anyone for hell. That where we are all going, so the dilemma you try to make asking us about who God choses for hell is faulty from the jump. It's a false premise and completely invalidates any points that follow it.
No one can graft themselves in, so trying to make this a problem or contradiction is pointless in the first place. What exactly are you attacking or calling out here? What's your point?
No one can graft themselves in, so trying to make this a problem or contradiction is pointless in the first place. What exactly are you attacking or calling out here? What's your point?
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I believe, this is good for anyone to want to be grafted in. Many have taken the plunge.
Many saw, found out they can't do it, they can do a lot, climb high in doing many things right, many times for the wrong reason(s) to get stuff here and now is a big time one reason. To be a person better than others, to want others to see them as a better person than were, prior. Get rewards and then think they are good persons, Only to see one day they are not perfect. To choose to continue to believe God in risen Son Jesus for them or not
Luke 18:9
And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Luke 18:11
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luke 18:13
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luke 18:14
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Therefore not one other person can do the work needed to enter the Kingdom of God but the done work of Son done once for everyone
Hebrews 10:10
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Romans 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
It is the risen Life that anyone decides to stand in belief to as risen for them to be new in Father's truth of Son for them.
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
The death willingly had to be first to reconcile everyone as forgiven by God Father first, before any new life could ever get offered to anyone, that willing death without any flesh fight back to those that got him killed from jealousy they had over him. The people were not going to the preachers then, to get advice, they were looking for Jesus. that pissed them off, so they killed him to get rid of him.
Yet he was/is risen to never die again, first we all by this willing death get/got reconciled (Forgiven) by God Father through Son's now done work for us all
that is done for us the people to believe God between God and you personally, that is where the new life begins in each person personally, between them and God. Then one simply just loves as God has done that first through Son to us all
Believe God, receive truth from God and see new, daily growing up in truth more and more maturity , in loving all, not a few as were first taught to do
Born new one simply loves all, thanks to God's Done work of Son for them first, at least for me, after along walk off a short pier daily.
No no-one can do what is now done for them by Son First
Read Acts 1 about what Jesus said to his disciples and how he hung out for forty days before leaving, teaching the disciples why he had to go through death first for us to get given new Life in his now risen life, never to die ever again.
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! never again, what? There is no further forgiveness to get or be offered from Dad's, Fathers view, it is done for you too believe and see new in love and mercy to all, the same as is given you in the one time death of Son willingly for you to be alive new in Father's Spirit and Truth only leading and doing what you know you can't do after trying hard to do it under Law, as you have been trying to do and can't perfectly. Let go and see to hold up Law, as perfect and thank God for Son for you to be seen as if you have never sinned
Colossians 1:21
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled you
Colossians 1:22
in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Colossians 1:23
if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
In verse Col 1:23 it starts out with that word "IF" which can mean "Since from the Greek Translations of the Greek that was translated to English for us the people.
seeing this truth in translations, now one can read new, removing the "IF" Which is doubt, to "Since" which is " I" Believe you God, one does new getting the truth willingly over having to or else attitudes of the first born flesh people in charge of Churches and gatherings all over this world
Psalm 56:4
In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me.
See it is God's gift through Son's done work for us to be new and love all as God does
Amazing the entire Ten Commandments are summed up in Love as in 1 Cor 13:4-7 for us to get that given us to do. too simple to just ask Father and believe Father and be born again as new in God's Spirit and truth only thank you Father and Son as Won
Phil 3 is a good chapter to read slowly, trusting Father to reveal it to you
God just loves us all y'all
Many saw, found out they can't do it, they can do a lot, climb high in doing many things right, many times for the wrong reason(s) to get stuff here and now is a big time one reason. To be a person better than others, to want others to see them as a better person than were, prior. Get rewards and then think they are good persons, Only to see one day they are not perfect. To choose to continue to believe God in risen Son Jesus for them or not
Luke 18:9
And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Luke 18:11
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luke 18:13
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luke 18:14
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Therefore not one other person can do the work needed to enter the Kingdom of God but the done work of Son done once for everyone
Hebrews 10:10
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Romans 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
It is the risen Life that anyone decides to stand in belief to as risen for them to be new in Father's truth of Son for them.
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
The death willingly had to be first to reconcile everyone as forgiven by God Father first, before any new life could ever get offered to anyone, that willing death without any flesh fight back to those that got him killed from jealousy they had over him. The people were not going to the preachers then, to get advice, they were looking for Jesus. that pissed them off, so they killed him to get rid of him.
Yet he was/is risen to never die again, first we all by this willing death get/got reconciled (Forgiven) by God Father through Son's now done work for us all
- Romans 3:25
whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - 1 John 2:2
and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - 1 John 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
that is done for us the people to believe God between God and you personally, that is where the new life begins in each person personally, between them and God. Then one simply just loves as God has done that first through Son to us all
Believe God, receive truth from God and see new, daily growing up in truth more and more maturity , in loving all, not a few as were first taught to do
Born new one simply loves all, thanks to God's Done work of Son for them first, at least for me, after along walk off a short pier daily.
No no-one can do what is now done for them by Son First
Read Acts 1 about what Jesus said to his disciples and how he hung out for forty days before leaving, teaching the disciples why he had to go through death first for us to get given new Life in his now risen life, never to die ever again.
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! never again, what? There is no further forgiveness to get or be offered from Dad's, Fathers view, it is done for you too believe and see new in love and mercy to all, the same as is given you in the one time death of Son willingly for you to be alive new in Father's Spirit and Truth only leading and doing what you know you can't do after trying hard to do it under Law, as you have been trying to do and can't perfectly. Let go and see to hold up Law, as perfect and thank God for Son for you to be seen as if you have never sinned
Colossians 1:21
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled you
Colossians 1:22
in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Colossians 1:23
if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
In verse Col 1:23 it starts out with that word "IF" which can mean "Since from the Greek Translations of the Greek that was translated to English for us the people.
seeing this truth in translations, now one can read new, removing the "IF" Which is doubt, to "Since" which is " I" Believe you God, one does new getting the truth willingly over having to or else attitudes of the first born flesh people in charge of Churches and gatherings all over this world
Psalm 56:4
In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me.
See it is God's gift through Son's done work for us to be new and love all as God does
Amazing the entire Ten Commandments are summed up in Love as in 1 Cor 13:4-7 for us to get that given us to do. too simple to just ask Father and believe Father and be born again as new in God's Spirit and truth only thank you Father and Son as Won
Phil 3 is a good chapter to read slowly, trusting Father to reveal it to you
God just loves us all y'all
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Because he is trying to trip you and your ideology up to make his seem supreme. At least that's the conclusion I've come to concerning this group that only likes beating this one dead hoarse into a puddle day in and day out (bad thing is it's an enemy of their own creation, at least on this site). To be honest his name isn't one of the "group" I'm speaking of, but his questions are quickly leading me to believe he is trying to protect the world from a very specific self perceived heresy, and it's all up to them to find, label, and tell the people first, what they believe, and you heard that right, the group I speak of does not need to bother asking what you believe or listen to what you tell them you believe, but they will let you know what you believe and then will destroy "your" beliefs with great prejudice, and all in the name of being a Holy protector of Gods word.
I could be wrong about him specifically because I can't say I've had him do this to me personally, plus he's been here only a week, it could be one of them, but to be fair I just recognize the pattern of questions well enough to say that this is what I believe is the point here.
I could be wrong about him specifically because I can't say I've had him do this to me personally, plus he's been here only a week, it could be one of them, but to be fair I just recognize the pattern of questions well enough to say that this is what I believe is the point here.