Calvinists are preaching a false message .

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NOV25 said "One is saved by faith, saving faith is a gift of God the Spirit who comes to whom he wills, when he wills. "

1. Actually Scripture says that faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. (Romans 10:17). This is a reference to the Gospel, as the entire chapter proves.

2. Peter clarifies that still further and calls that Word of God the Gospel, which is also "the incorruptible seed" of the New Birth. (1 Peter 1:23-25)

3. James concurs and call it "the Word of Truth" and again implies that it is the "seed" of the New Birth. (James 1:18)

4. Christ commanded the apostles and the Church to preach the Gospel to every creature. (Mark 16:15) Which implied that faith comes by hearing the preaching of the Gospel.

5. Paul clearly stated that God now commands all men everywhere to repent. (Acts 17:30) Which again implies that the hearing of the Gospel leads to repentance.

In brief, all those Scriptures REFUTE your false doctrine that God gives the gift of saving faith to some, and withholds it from others. That would be a violation of the character of God as well as the Gospel.

At the same time, the spiritual gift of faith is given to those WHO ARE ALREADY SAVED. Which means that you are quite confused about the Gospel and saving faith. It is therefore time to abandon man-made doctrines.[/QUOTE]
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Christ commanded the apostles and the Church to preach the Gospel to every creature. (Mark 16:15)
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Mark 16:15 :)
 
throughfaith said:
I never said I don't have theology.
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Please read what you said:

I don't have a theology . I'm not adhering or promoting any so called 'giant of the faith ' with a beard lol 😆 i believe the bible.


as you mock men with beards you should know how much you have contradicted yourself.

FYI you said, " I don't have a Theology" before you said You never said you did not have one.

You said you believe the Bible which means you do have a theology even if you are unwittingly knowing of it.

You are correct it is pointless to explain to you what you are not able to grasp.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
NOV25 said "One is saved by faith, saving faith is a gift of God the Spirit who comes to whom he wills, when he wills. "



In brief, all those Scriptures REFUTE your false doctrine that God gives the gift of saving faith to some, and withholds it from others. That would be a violation of the character of God as well as the Gospel.

At the same time, the spiritual gift of faith is given to those WHO ARE ALREADY SAVED. Which means that you are quite confused about the Gospel and saving faith. It is therefore time to abandon man-made doctrines.
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Peter 1:1ff

1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, 3 by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:


Philippians 1:29

29 For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him,


Ephesians 2:8-9

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Acts 3:16

16 By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus’ name and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see.



Even our faith is a grace to us granted by God. Amen. Because if it wasn't then we could take credit by our works.
 
CS1 said:
Please read what you said:

I don't have a theology . I'm not adhering or promoting any so called 'giant of the faith ' with a beard lol 😆 i believe the bible.


as you mock men with beards you should know how much you have contradicted yourself.

FYI you said, " I don't have a Theology" before you said You never said you did not have one.

You said you believe the Bible which means you do have a theology even if you are unwittingly knowing of it.

You are correct it is pointless to explain to you what you are not able to grasp.
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It seems like we've lost the plot here . I've explained what i meant. To persist in this ' straining out a gnat ' when you know exactly what i meant is being silly now .
 
throughfaith said:
It seems like we've lost the plot here . I've explained what i meant. To persist in this ' straining out a gnat ' when you know exactly what i meant is being silly now .
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Not at all, you are just not honest.
 
phil36 said:
Even our faith is a grace to us granted by God. Amen. Because if it wasn't then we could take credit by our works.
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When those Scriptures are properly interpreted (in context) they will never refute the ones I have posted. Scripture does not contradict itself. So now you should try to interpret them properly.

And no genuine believers take credit for their salvation, since eternal life is God's gift to the ones who believe.
 
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phil36 said:
Peter 1:1ff

1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, 3 by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:


Philippians 1:29

29 For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him,


Ephesians 2:8-9

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Acts 3:16

16 By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus’ name and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see.



Even our faith is a grace to us granted by God. Amen. Because if it wasn't then we could take credit by our works.
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Have you checked the context of each verse? They could never imply what your saying.
 
NOV25 said:
All are evil and fall short Roger, it is God the Spirit who changes a mans nature causing Godly sorrow (2 corinthians 7:10) which worketh repentance and faith. It's called being born again. And as Jesus said, the wind blows where IT desires so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

May the Lord bless you with understanding of these biblical truths.
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Yes

and all are given the same option

bit not all will be born again.

we are born again by faith in Christ, John 3 makes this clear, God loved the whole world that whoever believes will be given eternal life (born again)
 
NOV25 said:
If you cannot see, or you refuse to admit, that Jesus was referring the the Ezekiel passages in John 3 you may be in worse shape than we thought.
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notuptome said:
You ignore the word of Jesus in John 3:18-19. Man yes he is fallen but God lighteneth every man so they are able to respond to the gospel.
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I think maybe you both need to try to discuss without the words of condemnation,

maybe them the conversation will turn into real living powerful discussion even if in the end you disagree
 
throughfaith said:
I believe in a Jesus that died for the sins of the world and that every one is able to respond positively to Gospel message and be saved .
Is this the same message you believe?
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is this belief required to receive salvation?
 
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NOV25 said:
The central truth of God’s saving grace is succinctly stated in the assertion, “Salvation is of the Lord.” This strong declaration means that every aspect of man’s salvation is from God and is entirely dependent upon God. The only contribution that we make is the sin that was laid upon Jesus Christ at the cross. The Apostle Paul affirmed this when he wrote, “From Him and through Him and to Him are all things” (Rom. 11:36). This is to say, salvation is God determined, God purchased, God applied, and God secured. From start to finish, salvation is of the Lord alone.

This truth is best summarized in the doctrines of grace, which are total depravity, unconditional election, definite atonement, effectual calling, and preserving grace. These truths present the triune God as the author of our salvation from beginning to end. Each member of the Godhead—Father, Son, and Spirit—has a part to play in redemption, and they work together as one God to rescue those perishing under divine wrath. In perfect unity, the three divine persons do the work that hellbound sinners, utterly unable to save themselves, cannot do.

Steve Lawson.
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I agree with the first paragraph

i disa strongly with the second. As that is not what I see

my faith in Christ is because of the Hs it does not save my, I am saved by grace, but as paul said it is through faith

salvation can not occure until we are justified, we are justified by faith
 
throughfaith said:
I think its a bad comparison. Cessationalism is not an entire theological system / worldview within christianity. Its a minor topic on the sign gifts. Its not a Gospel issue.
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Calvinism is not a gospel issue either, I could swear you just stated you do not declare a calvinist lost, which is it! You can’t have it both ways
 
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