Calvinism and Context?

[cv5]

Right ... are your serious?

The vast majority of people are shut out of the Kingdom of Heaven.................. because he refused to save them in your view because he must be incapable of doing so.

It is an epic fail... dismal in fact ..................and absolute no need to rejoice in Heaven

I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
Luke 15:7

Amen. We rejoice when God's elect, by the grace of God, in His timing, by His power and by His GIFT OF FAITH become manifest to the Angels of heaven!

 

[cv5]

“Humor”
Bwahahahahaha

Well my friend, the subtleties and sophistication of gentle humor is lost on many.

No need for you to worry though!

 

[jackrosie]

Amen. We rejoice when God's elect, by the grace of God, in His timing, by His power and by His GIFT OF FAITH become manifest to the Angels of heaven!

In Jesus Name.......Amen!!

 

[1ofthem]

I think I’ve upset Jo,she’s given me a lot of red x and ......never received so many from you Joe.

What did you expect hearts and ribbons?

A sister made a heart felt post to you and you went straight into attack mode. It really was one of the ugliest displays I have ever saw on this site. And believe me, I have saw many in the 4 years I have been here.

Instead of asking the Lord to help you "grow a pair"....You might want to ask him to help you grow up?

 

[SoulWeaver]

It is hard to communicate in writing only w/o the benefit of knowing someone personally,I agree.
We are seasoned with salt,what does salt do? It makes a person thirsty and want to drink water. Let's give them the living waters to drink.
Knowledge is an accumulation of information,WISDOM is the discernment of when and what info to supply to a person.
There will be many with different ideologies in heaven! The FACT is we must be blood bought and share always in love.
Each can be that tender plant that's struggling for SON LIGHT and nutrients from above.
My daughter or relative may read here,pray they find love ONLY.

I'm not addressing against anyone and I admire and find commonality among many here.
We are His children and the sheep of His pasture,there is plenty of room to graze.

Hey Jo, this is so true! Thanks for the inspiring post.
What might be different among us is information and how we make sense of the current information we have acquired so far. But the Truth is on the inside and we're just recognizing it when we run into it outside, though. (That's why sharing the Gospel is important) When the truth is expressed it also becomes information, like the Bible. But the truth is not verbal and works within you giving you more information while you read (for people who hate God there's that, interfering with what they read). When you apply the truth it becomes wisdom. Everybody knows God is benevolent cannot be malevolent, there's no debate about it. Everybody also knows that there is a certain severity with Him because of His immenseness. And so forth. From then on, it's how people make sense of what information they possess as they build on the ground they have acquired. And sometimes there are lies in the foundation when the person won't apply the Truth to their life. That's how we get cults and other evils. But even an atheist knows what's good and evil, and that they're going to answer for their sins.

 

[cv5]

Amen. We rejoice when God's elect, by the grace of God, in His timing, by His power and by His GIFT OF FAITH become manifest to the Angels of heaven!

Good grief Just_Joe.......why the sad face?
The angels of heaven are rejoicing when the elect are revealed.....why aren't you?

 

[EleventhHour]

Amen. We rejoice when God's elect, by the grace of God, in His timing, by His power and by His GIFT OF FAITH become manifest to the Angels of heaven!

More eisegesis ... my bible reads repents........... not forced to repent

Likewise I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.”

Still waiting on irresistible grace.

Is this a game of Dodge Ball with you?

 

[jackrosie]

What did you expect hearts and ribbons?

A sister made a heart felt post to you and you went straight into attack mode. It really was one of the ugliest displays I have ever saw on this site. And believe me, I have saw many in the 4 years I have been here.

Instead of asking the Lord to help you "grow a pair"....You might want to ask him to help you grow up?

Oh my,what an exaggeration and I mean exaggeration!!....I noticed you gave me a few red x as well..

Maybe you need to scroll back lady and see why I reacted the way I did.

 

[EleventhHour]

Amen. We rejoice when God's elect, by the grace of God, in His timing, by His power and by His GIFT OF FAITH become manifest to the Angels of heaven!

Pay attention and snap out of the false dogma you are promoting ...

Rom 9:31 but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law

Rom 9:32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone.

Paul's argument would be invalid if faith had to be given for them to "pursue", therefore the Calvin argument is invalid and Paul's point would be theological sophistry.

The argument that Abraham was declared righteous by his faith would be meaningless if faith had to be given so he could be declared righteous. The gift (grace) of God is salvation through faith - not the faith itself.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

The above makes no sense if faith is given to some and not others

 

[cv5]

More eisegesis ... my bible reads repents........... not forced to repent

Likewise I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.”

Still waiting on irresistible grace.

Is this a game of Dodge Ball with you?

The doctrine of election and irresistible grace may or may not be concomitant.
Nevertheless, rest assured that the doctrine of election IS biblical and explicit and non-arbitrary.

I for one do not see irresistible grace itself clearly delineated in the Bible in no uncertain terms.

But I don't necessarily need irresistible grace in my doctrinal toolbox. I believe in election. Covers all bases ties up all loose ends resolves all dilemmas.

As for us we simply rest on Gods grace and God's promises knowing full well and with tremendous confidence that they will all be fulfilled on our behalf by a merciful God who has provided us a way of escape and this precious opportunity for salvation in and by our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[Just_Jo]

Hey Jo, this is so true! Thanks for the inspiring post.
What might be different among us is information and how we make sense of the current information we have acquired so far. But the Truth is on the inside and we're just recognizing it when we run into it outside, though. (That's why sharing the Gospel is important) When the truth is expressed it also becomes information, like the Bible. But the truth is not verbal and works within you giving you more information while you read (for people who hate God there's that, interfering with what they read). When you apply the truth it becomes wisdom. Everybody knows God is benevolent cannot be malevolent, there's no debate about it. Everybody also knows that there is a certain severity with Him because of His immenseness. And so forth. From then on, it's how people make sense of what information they possess as they build on the ground they have acquired. And sometimes there are lies in the foundation when the person won't apply the Truth to their life. That's how we get cults and other evils. But even an atheist knows what's good and evil, and that they're going to answer for their sins.

Agreed and thank you. May He fill us running over with the truth of His word and the wisdom to apply it to ourselves and others!

 

[cv5]

Pay attention and snap out of the false dogma you are promoting ...

Rom 9:31 but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law

Rom 9:32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone.

Paul's argument would be invalid if faith had to be given for them to "pursue", therefore the Calvin argument is invalid and Paul's point would be theological sophistry.

The argument that Abraham was declared righteous by his faith would be meaningless if faith had to be given so he could be declared righteous. The gift (grace) of God is salvation through faith - not the faith itself.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

The above makes no sense if faith is given to some and not others

Indeed. One would have to say that those bereft of faith were not part of God's faithful believing elect remnant!

 

[EleventhHour]

The doctrine of election and irresistible grace may or may not be concomitant.
Nevertheless, rest assured that the doctrine of election IS biblical and explicit and non-arbitrary.

I for one do not see irresistible grace itself clearly delineated in the Bible in no uncertain terms.

But I don't necessarily need irresistible grace in my doctrinal toolbox. I believe in election. Covers all bases ties up all loose ends resolves all dilemmas.

As for us we simply rest on Gods grace and God's promises knowing full well and with tremendous confidence that they will all be fulfilled on our behalf by a merciful God who has provided us a way of escape and this precious opportunity for salvation in and by our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

There is no election without irresistible grace.

You have no way around this.

 

[cv5]

There is no election without irresistible grace.

You have no way around this.

First of all I'm not a Calvinist so your impromptu restrictions do not apply to me.
Secondly what makes you an expert on Calvinism all of a sudden?

 

[Just_Jo]

Good grief Just_Joe.......why the sad face?
The angels of heaven are rejoicing when the elect are revealed.....why aren't you?

Bc you see the "ELECT " in the wrong light.
All God's children are elected and called to service,but there is no dividing line between a " special" group and others.
ALL ARE CALLED TO SERVE GOD!
It is each indivual's choice to answer or reject His call to BELIEVE in Him!

There IS much rejoicing over a sinners choice to believe and accept Jesus as the way to the Father!

 

[jackrosie]

As for us we simply rest on Gods grace and God's promises knowing full well and with tremendous confidence that they will all be fulfilled on our behalf by a merciful God who has provided us a way of escape and this precious opportunity for salvation in and by our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Absolutely no question of Doudt....Amen!

 

[EleventhHour]

Indeed. One would have to say that those bereft of faith were not part of God's faithful believing elect remnant!

Can you be honest ... you mean they were denied faith, created for destruction, while others were not in your scheme.

And then Calvis hide behind ...one cannot understand ...God's ways all a mystery.

NEWSFLASH: your dogma is wrong

 

[Bbrdrd]

The doctrine of election and irresistible grace may or may not be concomitant.
Nevertheless, rest assured that the doctrine of election IS biblical and explicit and non-arbitrary.

I for one do not see irresistible grace itself clearly delineated in the Bible in no uncertain terms.

But I don't necessarily need irresistible grace in my doctrinal toolbox. I believe in election. Covers all bases ties up all loose ends resolves all dilemmas.

As for us we simply rest on Gods grace and God's promises knowing full well and with tremendous confidence that they will all be fulfilled on our behalf by a merciful God who has provided us a way of escape and this precious opportunity for salvation in and by our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Election is Biblical and explicit, but the "doctrine of election" is not.

The doctrine of election that you espouse is one among many ways to understand and filter the Biblical terms and statements. And you never engage with honest discussion regarding the warrant of your interpretation of what "election" means and instead simply insist on your correctness.

You feign to be seeking a case against it, yet your only answer to legitimate challenges and opportunities to discuss its warrant is to stand upon your philosophy that you've done prior and discard any contrary discussion as vain as a pretense to avoid serious inquiry.

I don't know if this is because you recognize that the doctrine of election is untenable and shield yourself from that truth with your bluster.

I suspect from what you've shown that there is some bad faith in your stances, but I cannot simply assume as much.

 

[jackrosie]

Bc you see the "ELECT " in the wrong light.
All God's children are elected and called to service,but there is no dividing line between a " special" group and others.
ALL ARE CALLED TO SERVE GOD!
It is each indivual's choice to answer or reject His call to BELIEVE in Him!

There IS much rejoicing over a sinners choice to believe and accept Jesus as the way to the Father!

No it is not each individuals choice to answer or reject.maybe for you and others........so don’t put me in your camp....I never chose I was chosen.

 

[cv5]

Bc you see the "ELECT " in the wrong light.
All God's children are elected and called to service,but there is no dividing line between a " special" group and others.
ALL ARE CALLED TO SERVE GOD!
It is each indivual's choice to answer or reject His call to BELIEVE in Him!

There IS much rejoicing over a sinners choice to believe and accept Jesus as the way to the Father!

I have to disagree with you there my friend.

Only those chosen and elect are obedient (they receive for themselves the council of God pertaining to Jesus Christ), faithful and believe to the end with perseverance.

Both the Old Testament and New Testament agree to the phenomenon of a chosen elect remnant.