California christian, with No hope for the apostate churches around me

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welcome.

 

[ZNP]

Ik this is an older Thread but I'll say I'd rather see that expose'ster calling for prayer for the church and Bolz. The host and guests aren't doing themselves or Christianity any favors making sport of the situation, imho. 'The Coven of Bethel' really?...they are known for many good things.
“Now if anyone has caused pain, he has caused it not to me, but in some measure—not to put it too severely—to all of you. For such a one, this punishment by the majority is enough, so you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. So I beg you to reaffirm your love for him.” 2Cor 2:5-8
"Goodness of God," "Raise a Hallelujah," and "Reckless Love" are among the most famous and widely sung songs from the Bethel Music collective. I like all these songs, they're not from a 'coven'. (not addressed to you but the video guys)

I think it is important that we realize that what Paul taught is just as true today as it was in his day:

Galatians 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

I have heard many testimonies from those who got saved out of witchcraft that those involved in witchcraft will have the mission of going into a church in order to destroy the church.

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

We should not be ignorant that they are using witchcraft to destroy the church.

Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? 17 They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.

Yes, I get that someone may be zealously affecting you, but is the impact positive? Does it make you pursue the Lord or pursue them? The fact that people buy their music is not evidence that they are having a positive effect on believers.

Galatians 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. 9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

It is also not proof that their songs are mostly about the Lord and the word of God. Bread is mostly flour. Leaven is a tiny percent of the makeup of bread.

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

If these are the works of the flesh and they are manifest in this group it is essential that people who have witnessed this sound the alarm. From my understanding this is the testimony, that the things present were the works of the flesh, not the Spirit, and that included witchcraft.

Lord Jesus we pray that if anyone has come into the congregation where we worship with the express purpose of spying out our liberty in order to bring us into bondage that Your light would shine on them and that any cloak they are using to hide under would be removed. If they have bewitched the church or the congregation or any of the saints we pray that those charms and spells would be washed away with the water of your word and that those who had been bewitched would wake up, the scales falling off their eyes to see what is truly going on. Lord may your saints be bold and courageous to speak the truth in love. And may we see and appreciate that just a little leaven will leaven the whole church. May the saints appreciate how terrible it is to ignore the works of the flesh, rather impress us with how corrosive that is to the believers. Amen.

 

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[rewriter]

Well technically the Lutherans and the Catholics differ about the Lord's Supper. There is Transubstantiation and Consubstantiation and officially they are totally different, even though the definition of the two terms is identical and the RCC is willing to tolerate Lutherans accepting the host from a Catholic priest, or a Catholic accepting it from a Lutheran minister as long as there is not a Catholic priest available.

But welcome Platosgal. Do you know the ancient Plato well or does the name refer to a more recent Plato?

 

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Matthew 13:1-9
New International Version
13 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”