And just WHAT do you believe or live by,since you're the one using a meter to determine everyone else's beliefs or doctrine.
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And just WHAT do you believe or live by,since you're the one using a meter to determine everyone else's beliefs or doctrine.
I like to understand how different Christians form their doctrine.
For me, I am a Mid Acts dispensationalist.
Ok. I see you believe in what is called the grace movement.
I wouldn't however call myself of covenant theology,never heard of it except per cc.
I am of this mind,God sees all knows all and is a righteous judge of all man ,so again I leave it in His hands.
I have no beef with how others choose to interpret scripture. I will say it must be under the divine teacher the Holy Spirit.
The MAJOR error I see from others is thinking they have the golden thimble and only they are right!
In this they do write unrighteous,greivious things to and about others.
IMO they need to use the measuring rod of God and check themselves!
Basically, you believe that, ever since Adam fell, God relates to mankind, from Genesis 3 to Revelations thru the covenant of grace, meaning those before Christ looked forward to the cross, while those after Christ looked backwards to the cross.
I agree but I look to no man for doctrine . I try to keep to scripture as it is revealed to me.
I'm human and fallible and am still learning.
I enjoy trying to understand why people believe as they do also but I try NOT to get caught up in the hoopla.
All of us like to think we read scripture as it is. But you became a Christian because someone preached to you, or some non bible materials you read correct?
Endure from persecution, not abandon their faith Will save from hell
What influenced me to come to Christ was a three part event.
First my Mom used to sing to us out of an old gospel hymn book when I was a child.
She always talked to us about what great love God has. My earthly father was the devil incarnate!
Second my teenaged sister 16 months older than I passed suddenly from a brain tumor. Death became real to me then at any age.
Last I began to watch a close friend of my mom's,she was saved after the death of my sister,this woman had such joy and peace in her heart. She talked about how much she loved Jesus all the time.
Praising Him for this blessing or that blessing.
I wanted that assurance of love and to be filled with that peace and joy.
I believe Paul say salvation by faith not by work to express or teach new teaching from NT, in OT people have to make animal sacrifice for forgiveness, now Jesus did for that.
It doesn't mean ok to kill or rob the bank because salvation not by work.
Martin Luther say salvation by faith alone in context to express his disagrement with catholic that sale indulgence
That why he say
Salvation by faith alone but faith that saved never alone
Seem to me It is imposible for a man say that he have Jesus in his heart but kill other.
1 John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
So If we in cc hate each other, It mean we don't love God.
Luke 10 is still OT and before the cross .
Where does it say that there ?
1To me Luke 10 is new testament
2 from the context. The topic is There Will be persecution
The death of Christ begins the new testament.
Hebrews 9:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
yes. Luke is one of the 4 gospels. Gospel means Good News.
Christian Standard Bible
After John was arrested, Jesus went to Galilee, proclaiming the good news of God:
"Why is the Gospel 'Good News'?
What many people have accepted without question as the gospel offers no solution to humanity's sufferings, frustrations, and perpetual troubles. The true gospel Jesus brought proclaims the solution to the world's troubles, but men rejected that gospel and crucified Jesus for preaching it!
Millions of people today believe on Christ - they believe that He lived, died for our sins, and was resurrected - but they do not believe His gospel because most have never heard it! They have heard of Christ - of what He did - but not His message of how to solve all of mankind's troubles and how to receive eternal life with joy, abundance, and accomplishment. Thus, millions have been deceived into believing a false gospel that does not lead to salvation.
The evangelist Mark begins his recounting of Jesus' ministry with these words:
Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel." (Mark 1:14-15)
Gospel in English derives from godspel, meaning "good news." Similarly, in the Greek in which Mark wrote, evangelion means "good tidings."Why is the announcement of God's Kingdom being established on earth "good news"? As strange as it may seem, for many people this is not good news at all! People like the gospel when it is limited to the forgiveness that is available through Christ's sacrifice. However, when they hear that God's Kingdom includes obedience to His standard of conduct, they cannot tolerate it, preferring the pagan fantasy of easy grace and its self-indulgent reward of floating around heaven in eternal idleness to the truth of the Bible. For many, the true gospel is anathema because it contradicts them, their traditions, and their ideas."
from: Why is the Gospel 'Good News'?
not only that but ....
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.…
and let's not forget ...
2 Timothy 4:2
3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires.…
Can a person today be saved without believing in the death , burial and resurrection ? This good news ?
Interesting John believes this gospel in John 20:31
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
So according to John there, one need not believe in the death burial and resurrection of Christ to have life, but he only need to believe that Jesus is the Son of God.
So we don't need 1 cor 15 .1-4 ? Paul just needed to preach that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Do you aporiach people today and say Jesus is the christ ,the Son of God and that believing you might have life in his name ? No death , burial and resurrection for our sins according to rhe scriptures?
17And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
I am not saying that, relax. I agree with you that the only gospel that saves today is 1 Cor 15:1-4. I am a mid Acts dispensationalist remember?
I am saying that, whenever you meet someone who claims that John 3:16 is how one gets saved today, do remember to point out to them that what John actually meant by believing in Jesus, is not 1 Cor 15:1-4 but rather John 20:31.
Really? His first coming was for the "house of Israel".
Then his life, death, and resurrection were for "house of Israel" only? really?
I am in agreement that I do not like to have doctrinal statements as the basis of my faith.
It is interesting though that you have actually very clearly presented your own doctrinal statement. (though a "short" one -
)In actuality, every person has their own doctrine and beliefs - that is OK and is necessary.
The problem is when we turn around and use our doctrinal statement as the key to understanding Scripture.