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Locoponydirtman
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Nope. This arguing back and forth over something that is so simple......
Occam's razor comes to mind.
But, y'all carry on.
Dad does it too, just keep listening to him, he will keep the tennis match going forever
don’t get caught! 
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Locoponydirtman
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The word remembrance does not remove the word is those two words do not erase the meaning of the other
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Locoponydirtman
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I'm glad you mentioned Occam's razor, because the simplest explanation would be to take Christ's words at face value
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Locoponydirtman
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Jesus said what He said and no explanation is required.
I find it odd that folks can believe that Christ can be in us, inhabit our prayers, and His word and be among us when gathered together, but not inhabit His supper, a thing He said He is present in.
I find it odd that folks can believe that Christ can be in us, inhabit our prayers, and His word and be among us when gathered together, but not inhabit His supper, a thing He said He is present in.
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Jesus stated at John 6:63 that the words he spoke about consuming his flesh
and blood are spirit words; which is problematic right out of the box because
it says to me that the meanings of the Lord's choice of words are not always
what they appear. Paul said the same thing about his own choice of words.
Spirit words and human words sound the same, and they're spelled the
same; but should never be assumed saying what the human mind thinks
they're saying.
● 1Cor 2:13 . .These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom
teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with
spiritual
Therein is the very reason why the various denominations have so much
difficulty all believing the same things; viz: spirit words are literally a foreign
language; and as such eo ipso require the services of a competent
interpreter.
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Jesus stated at John 6:63 that the words he spoke about consuming his flesh
and blood are spirit words; which is problematic right out of the box because
it says to me that the meanings of the Lord's choice of words are not always
what they appear. Paul said the same thing about his own choice of words.
Spirit words and human words sound the same, and they're spelled the
same; but should never be assumed saying what the human mind thinks
they're saying.
● 1Cor 2:13 . .These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom
teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with
spiritual
Therein is the very reason why the various denominations have so much
difficulty all believing the same things; viz: spirit words are literally a foreign
language; and as such eo ipso require the services of a competent
interpreter.
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Locoponydirtman
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Jesus said his words are spirit and truth. This transends a mere material reality.
Paul also explaimed to the Corinthians that when they take the Lord's supper in a disorderly and unworthy manner they are guilty of the Body and Blood of Christ.
He didnt say they were profaning a memorial ritual, He said guilty of the Body and Blood of Christ.
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According to Rom 6:9 & Rev 1:18, Jesus is immortal.
Plus:
According to John 6:53-55 his flesh contains eternal life.
Ergo: Even if somebody really wanted to kill Jesus-- even a little piece of
Jesus --they would not succeed.
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According to Rom 6:9 & Rev 1:18, Jesus is immortal.
Plus:
According to John 6:53-55 his flesh contains eternal life.
Ergo: Even if somebody really wanted to kill Jesus-- even a little piece of
Jesus --they would not succeed.
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Occam's razor is not merely that 'the simplest explanation' is probably correct.
it is that the simplest explanation that explains all the data is the most likely explanation.
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so it is impossible that anyone can take His life from Him -- He Himself laid it down.
no nail could pierce His skin except He purposefully allow it.
No wisdom, no understanding, no counsel can avail against the LORD
(Proverbs 21:30)
(Proverbs 21:30)
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That was then. Now that Jesus' body is immortal, he couldn't lay down his
life even if he wanted to.
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That was then. Now that Jesus' body is immortal, he couldn't lay down his
life even if he wanted to.
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if you agree that there was no sin in Him when He walked on earth, how can you ascribe death to His body when that body itself had no cause for death?
death is the wage of sin, but He was neither born in sin nor entered sin nor did sin ever exist in Him.
furthermore eternal life is literally defined as knowing Him, and He, not being ignorant of Himself, but being the Godhead Himself fully dwelling in flesh, is One with God, is in fact God -- so He has eternal life, indeed is eternal life even while having humbled Himself to take on the form of man.
He bore His own scars after He had risen. He is no different: the same yesterday, today and forever.
not one of these verses support the idea that He had sin in Him or was in any way worthy of death.
to the contrary: He voluntarily offered Himself, spotless, blameless, pure and undefiled, the just for the unjust, as an act of mercy not one of justice.
your position here is blasphemous when followed out to its implications.
the same yesterday, today and forever.
He did not 'set aside divinity' nor did He 'ascend to godhood' -- He is, from the beginning and to the end, very God of very God.
as the LORD says in Zechariah, "ME whom they have pierced" -- the LORD never ceased to be the LORD and He does not change.
1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
1Ti 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
1Ti 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
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Jesus committed no sins of his own to answer for. (John 8:29, 2Cor 5:21,
Heb 4:15, 1Pet 2:22, 1John 3:9)
However; it is very easy to prove Jesus was biologically related to David;
and if so then also biologically related to Adam.
● Rom 5:12 . . Sin entered the world through one man, and death through
sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned
"all sinned" is grammatically past tense, indicating that when Adam tasted
the forbidden fruit, his entire biological posterity was reckoned joint
principals in the act with him, and not in their own time, but in his time back
then, viz: the so-called original sin isn't inherited, rather, it's imputed, and it
was imputed all at once rather than one person at a time each in their turn.
Ergo: it isn't necessary for someone to have sin in them to be worthy of
death; it's only necessary that they be biologically related to Adam; which of
course everyone is.
● Acts 17:26 . . From one man He made every nation of men
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Jesus committed no sins of his own to answer for. (John 8:29, 2Cor 5:21,
Heb 4:15, 1Pet 2:22, 1John 3:9)
However; it is very easy to prove Jesus was biologically related to David;
and if so then also biologically related to Adam.
● Rom 5:12 . . Sin entered the world through one man, and death through
sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned
"all sinned" is grammatically past tense, indicating that when Adam tasted
the forbidden fruit, his entire biological posterity was reckoned joint
principals in the act with him, and not in their own time, but in his time back
then, viz: the so-called original sin isn't inherited, rather, it's imputed, and it
was imputed all at once rather than one person at a time each in their turn.
Ergo: it isn't necessary for someone to have sin in them to be worthy of
death; it's only necessary that they be biologically related to Adam; which of
course everyone is.
● Acts 17:26 . . From one man He made every nation of men
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Locoponydirtman
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Correct and all the data that we have is the words of Christ saying this is my body and blood and then later in Corinthians you have Paul correcting the disorderly conduct telling them that taking the Lord's Supper and unworthy manner makes them guilty of the body and blood of Jesus Christ.