Biblical truth
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In less scripture says specifically in my opinion as in a few verses Paul gives his personal advice then that could be considered helpful but not absolute in authority. For example his advice to be single. Biblical truth overall is absolute
Scripture is absolute truth, but our understanding of it is not. As we read we need to be aware that it was men who put down what they understood the Lord to tell them in words they understood. Noah would not understand if we put down what the Lord tells us in ways we understand because our world is different than Noah's.
Do you remember reading Shakespeare the first time? He wrote in English and English as it was understood only 500 years ago. Some of scripture is from 6,000 years ago.
Also, the Hebrew language is the core language first used, our English is a translation. In verse 2 and 3 of Genesis the translation is the best way of translating the Hebrew but it is very inadequate. In Hebrew it tells us that there was an earth that God used as God began creating our world but the earth was chosnek. It is translated as formless, empty and dark. The Hebrew word also includes evil and sin. Then scripture says let there be owr, and that word is translated as light. In English, the word light would mean what comes from the sun, and that can't be the light scripture means by owr for our understanding of light as comes from the sun was created on the third day. Owr means giving light, but in the sense of the goodness of the Lord.
So scripture is truth, but we need to work at understanding.
Do you remember reading Shakespeare the first time? He wrote in English and English as it was understood only 500 years ago. Some of scripture is from 6,000 years ago.
Also, the Hebrew language is the core language first used, our English is a translation. In verse 2 and 3 of Genesis the translation is the best way of translating the Hebrew but it is very inadequate. In Hebrew it tells us that there was an earth that God used as God began creating our world but the earth was chosnek. It is translated as formless, empty and dark. The Hebrew word also includes evil and sin. Then scripture says let there be owr, and that word is translated as light. In English, the word light would mean what comes from the sun, and that can't be the light scripture means by owr for our understanding of light as comes from the sun was created on the third day. Owr means giving light, but in the sense of the goodness of the Lord.
So scripture is truth, but we need to work at understanding.
And just like that the thread is a closed book case, I honestly cannot imagine a better answer
Maybe a small matter, but you asked about "Biblical Truth". The answers up to now all address if the Bible is true. Let's take an example.
Genesis 3:4; "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die."
It is written in the Bible. Is it Biblical truth relatively or absolutely
It is written in the Bible. Is it true or false. And to both answers how does "relative" and/or absolute fit?
I might seem to be nitpicking, but Ive met some brilliant people in my time and one should be precise when dealing with their words. And this applies completely to dealing with God's Words. Most of the disputes on any given Christian Bible Forum are a result of not taking the publisher's words precisely.
Psalm 119:151
[151] Thou art near, O Lord; and all thy commandments are truth.
Truth is absolute.
Men change so men would make it relative.
Let God be true and every man a liar.
Let's examine the concept. In
1st Kings 22:22-23 we are presented with this;
22 "And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee."
See also 2nd Chronicles 18:21-22
Now, we can ask some questions
1st Kings 22:22-23 we are presented with this;
22 "And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee."
See also 2nd Chronicles 18:21-22
Now, we can ask some questions
- Did this really happen? The answer is YES. It is the "absolute" truth.
- Did Jehovah agree to lies? If you answer YES, it is "relative"
- Was the message of the spirit to the king the truth? The answer is "absolutely" NO
- Was the event Biblical truth? Well ... It truly happened as reported, BUT ...
- Did the narrative contain less that the truth? Yes.
I appreciate your nitpicking as it will help me to be more precise.
Notice I said "Biblical Truth", which means I believe that the Bible is true but I can't help it but wonder if some parts are relative or absolute.
I also don't understand where you are coming from
Biblical Truth:
Everything happened as reported
Truth in the Bible:
The narrative contains an element of truth and dishonesty
Am I understanding you?
Why do you think the story of the spirit is not true?
Is it a symbol of something?
You will firstly need to define what you deem to be *biblical truth*. Relativism usually applies to morals and ethics.
"Relativism has been, in its various guises, both one of the most popular and most reviled philosophical doctrines of our time. Defenders see it as a harbinger of tolerance and the only ethical and epistemic stance worthy of the open-minded and tolerant. Detractors dismiss it for its alleged incoherence and uncritical intellectual permissiveness."
Areminians and Calvinists have a different interpretation of John3:16. That gave me the idea that some parts in the Bible are relative while others are obsolute.
I used "Biblical truth"to try and describe what was in my mind.
Gospel truth cannot be relative to anything else since the Gospel is unique. And Christians can determine the correct interpretation of every Scripture by comparing it with all related Scriptures.
So rather than focus on what Arminians or Calvinists teach we need to focus strictly on what is revealed. Coming to John 3:16, we should interpret that in the context of John 3:13-19.
JOHN 3: SALVATION IS OFFERED TO ALL BUT ALL WILL NOT BE SAVED
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
1 7For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
There are numerous other passages which confirm that fact that salvation is offered to all, but not all will be saved (even though God wants the world of humanity to be saved, and Christ died for the sins of the whole world).
The Written Word of God is the written Truth given to us through the Gospel of the Living Word of God.
IT IS TRUTH!
Now, mans Theological interpretations are a crap shoot as to being Truth IMO.....
IT IS TRUTH!
Now, mans Theological interpretations are a crap shoot as to being Truth IMO.....
This is what I wrote. Corban, quote;
Was the event Biblical truth? Well ... It truly happened as reported
My point was, and you have addressed it adaquately, there is a big difference between Biblical truth and if something in the Bible is true. But, we've agreed now, so no further exchange is necessary. Go well brother (sister).
