Biblical headcovering

[SomeDisciple]

i am interested to know what this has to do with the angels . . ?

Here's my theory. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man- the glory of man needs be covered in the presence of God. Here's what the Angels think about the "glory of man".

On the appointed day Herod, wearing his royal robes, sat on his throne and delivered a public address to the people.
And the people were crying out, "This is the voice of a god and not of a man!"
Immediately, because Herod did not give glory to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died.

Eaten by WORMS! and died! In that order! Totally gruesome! Anyways... I think it's possible that angels might be offended by women that don't cover themselves because it has something to do with them being the glory of man.

 

[posthuman]

Here's my theory. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man- the glory of man needs be covered in the presence of God. Here's what the Angels think about the "glory of man".

On the appointed day Herod, wearing his royal robes, sat on his throne and delivered a public address to the people.
And the people were crying out, "This is the voice of a god and not of a man!"
Immediately, because Herod did not give glory to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died.

Eaten by WORMS! and died! In that order! Totally gruesome! Anyways... I think it's possible that angels might be offended by women that don't cover themselves because it has something to do with them being the glory of man.

wow! thanks
something for me to think about, i had never put that passage ((Acts 12:21-23)) together with 1 Corinthians 11!!

 

[Combanitorics]

I believe that women should cover their head and hair to be in obedience to scriptures. I'm very interested in what others think on this topic.
Please forgive me if his is 'old hat' on this forum. I'm new here.

Actually, I wanted to be an Ignatian when I was a kid too. they have sister ones who wear sort of head cover things, but it looks substantially different from a middle eastern veil. You can be an individualist American with personal facial features and a unique identity and still be an Ignatian sister.

 

[FrancisClare]

Because the "angels who sinned" did so by having relations with human women. Paul may have been making reference to that.

Interesting. You have thought deeply on this. So many things I've not thought much about at all. But that's the great good of sharing. We wake each other to new/old things that have not come to us before.

 

[FrancisClare]

wow! thanks
something for me to think about, i had never put that passage ((Acts 12:21-23)) together with 1 Corinthians 11!!

Well thought out.

 

[FrancisClare]

Actually, I wanted to be an Ignatian when I was a kid too. they have sister ones who wear sort of head cover things, but it looks substantially different from a middle eastern veil. You can be an individualist American with personal facial features and a unique identity and still be an Ignatian sister.

I don't know that term: Ignatian. Could you explain it?

 

[Combanitorics]

I don't know that term: Ignatian. Could you explain it?

The Jesuit order has both priests and nuns in it. Ignatius de Loyola, he was this Spanish guy, he founded the society of Jesus. They teach school.

 

[posthuman]

Actually, I wanted to be an Ignatian when I was a kid too. they have sister ones who wear sort of head cover things, but it looks substantially different from a middle eastern veil. You can be an individualist American with personal facial features and a unique identity and still be an Ignatian sister.

i did my undergraduate thesis in combinatorics..


new results in minimization techniques for pebbling, related to the number of triangles formed by intersections in a random complete graph with nodes transcribed to equidistant points on a circle


anyway, hi, welcome to CC, i'm post

lol

((nerdcrushes on SN))

wait you've been here for 9 years, wth

 

[Combanitorics]

i did my undergraduate thesis in combinatorics..


new results in minimization techniques for pebbling, related to the number of triangles formed by intersections in a random complete graph with nodes transcribed to equidistant points on a circle


anyway, hi, welcome to CC, i'm post

lol

((nerdcrushes on SN))

wait you've been here for 9 years, wth

Absolutely! Now personally, I don't even believe that numbers have shapes at all. I think they exist only to count physically solid touchable static objects. But I'm a Democratian, who in fact majored in philosophy rather than mathematics anyway. Still and all, philosophy is a marvelous way to spend time, even if there are difficult problems from other departments to master in order to solve the problem.

 

[posthuman]

Absolutely! Now personally, I don't even believe that numbers have shapes at all. I think they exist only to count physically solid touchable static objects. But I'm a Democratian, who in fact majored in philosophy rather than mathematics anyway. Still and all, philosophy is a marvelous way to spend time, even if there are difficult problems from other departments to master in order to solve the problem.

numbers are only one instance of mathematics, the obvious one that introduces us to its true scope

 

[Combanitorics]

numbers are only one instance of mathematics, the obvious one that introduces us to its true scope

Ah, very good. In spite of quantum mechanics, in which pure number rules the whole universe, a relatively small moon orbiting the Earth is still the Prince of Tides.

 

[JStates]

God never lead me to take up that particular custom. I don't find it necessary. As long as I have hair my head is covered.
Though I do find the custom of veils among my Eastern sisters quite charming. For me hats come off when indoors.

Sister, I think you are doctrinally correct here. The Bible does say a woman should cover her head when she prays, but it also says a woman's hair is given to her for a covering.

Short hair, long hair, I think (my opinion) both are a valid covering, but the Bible also says long hair specifically is a glory to a woman. Some sects believe that an additional head covering should be worn and that's fine. My aunt and cousin dressed like this, though my cousin stopped wearing a head covering when she was grown and could choose for herself. I think it's a matter of personal conscience.

What about if a woman is bald due to cancer or some other ailment? I think in such cases it would be prudent for her to wear a scarf or other head covering (which look can be quite charming and fashionable, by the way, though that's not the point here at all) but I would still treat it as a matter of personal conscience if she chose not to do so.

Why should this be done? I think it relates to the differing spiritual authority of the woman versus the man. The man's head - or spiritual authority - is Christ, while the woman's head - or spiritual authority - is the man. The covering is an indication of her humble obedience and recognition of the Biblical spiritual authority structure.

 

[Angela53510]

One suggestion does not make a doctrine. Corinth was a city of sailors and prostitutes. It was important in that society to disguise between women woman who were prostitutes and women who were not. At that place and time, nothing to do with our habits and practices today. I wear a hat in winter when it is cold. That is very accepted in Canada. But there is no tradition in western society that a woman needs to wear a hat to distinguish herself from a woman of ill repute.

It is legalism to try and earn your righteousness by what you wear on you head, or anything else. We are saved by grace through faith.

If every epistle in the NT recommended wearing a hat for women, it would still be legalism to wear a hat to sanctify yourself. Instead, we are sanctified by the power of the Holy Spirit in our hearts. God justifies, sanctifies and glorified.

"And we know that all things work together for good for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose, 29 because those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that his Son would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; and those he called, he also justified; and those he justified, he also glorified." Romans 8:28-30

Read Hebrews! "For by one offering he has perfected for all time those who are made holy. 15 And the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us, for after saying,16 “This is the covenant that I will establish with them after those days, says the Lord. I will put my laws on their hearts and I will inscribe them on their minds,” 17 then he says,“Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no longer.” 18 Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin." Hebrews 10:14-18.

The law is written on your heart! And no need to wear a hat or do anything else to earn forgiveness. We repent if our sins when we believe, and God cleanses us of all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

 

[JStates]

One suggestion does not make a doctrine. Corinth was a city of sailors and prostitutes. It was important in that society to disguise between women woman who were prostitutes and women who were not. At that place and time, nothing to do with our habits and practices today. I wear a hat in winter when it is cold. That is very accepted in Canada. But there is no tradition in western society that a woman needs to wear a hat to distinguish herself from a woman of ill repute.

It is legalism to try and earn your righteousness by what you wear on you head, or anything else. We are saved by grace through faith.

If every epistle in the NT recommended wearing a hat for women, it would still be legalism to wear a hat to sanctify yourself. Instead, we are sanctified by the power of the Holy Spirit in our hearts. God justifies, sanctifies and glorified.

"And we know that all things work together for good for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose, 29 because those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that his Son would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; and those he called, he also justified; and those he justified, he also glorified." Romans 8:28-30

Read Hebrews! "For by one offering he has perfected for all time those who are made holy. 15 And the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us, for after saying,16 “This is the covenant that I will establish with them after those days, says the Lord. I will put my laws on their hearts and I will inscribe them on their minds,” 17 then he says,“Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no longer.” 18 Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin." Hebrews 10:14-18.

The law is written on your heart! And no need to wear a hat or do anything else to earn forgiveness. We repent if our sins when we believe, and God cleanses us of all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

I have heard that private interpretation before, but it is demonstrably incorrect:

1Co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1Co 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

These are universal statements that have not been limited to just the ladies of Corinth. "EVERY woman." "A woman." Now, in my post I mentioned that the Bible specifically calls hair a valid covering for women, so another covering is not required.

 

[BonnieClaire]

Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked I will depart...except for my head covering!

 

[JStates]

Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked I will depart...except for my head covering!

Hmm, now THAT is an interesting and energetic perspective! What kind of head covering do you wear?

 

[BonnieClaire]

Hmm, now THAT is an interesting and energetic perspective! What kind of head covering do you wear?

I wear a Hoss Hat . . .



Nighty-night

 

[Journeyman]

I believe that women should cover their head and hair to be in obedience to scriptures. I'm very interested in what others think on this topic.
Please forgive me if his is 'old hat' on this forum. I'm new here.

I believe Pauls' point is that a wife should cover her husband,

the head of the woman is the man 1Cor.11:3

In other words, reverence him by not uncovering his shortcomings.

 

[Blain]

The head covering was jewish custom if one is lead to do so then that is fine however the head covering is not commanded for gentiles.

 

[SomeDisciple]

wow! thanks
something for me to think about, i had never put that passage ((Acts 12:21-23)) together with 1 Corinthians 11!!

I never paid it any attention before but, interestingly enough, it was the people of Tyre that came to glorify Herod Antipas as a god that day. As we know before the Assyrians came it was the ruler of Tyre that Ezekiel referred to (probably metaphorically) as the "Cherub who covers" but came to glorify himself as God. I don't think Paul was necessarily alluding to this particular story, but I do think he is demonstrating that there is a principle- even if I don't fully understand the reasoning behind it yet.