Basic Christianity.

[memberofthebride]

Some of these are part of the basic Christian message, but they fall far short of the whole message. One does not need to believe that Christ died Wednesday at sundown or arose Saturday at sundown to be saved. The disciples preached far more than those three things.

One does need to understand that they are a sinner, that the consequence of sin is (the second) death, that Christ paid for their sin, and that by believing in His atoning death, they are saved from that consequence.

Beg to differ:

3 - 12 hour days and 3 - 12 hour nights are THE ONLY SIGN given.

If you do not understand that is - Fact, then a person can chose to follow Rome in a sunday morning easter which is pagan, not fact but a lie.

 

[DavidLamb]

14) Jesus said, "there is something wrong with all of you that can only be set right by me. I haven't come to destroy the law, i have come to fulfill it. I'm going to ransom the whole world with me."

Where in the bible do we read Jesus saying that? I recognise the part about the law - we read:

““Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfil” (Mt 5:17 NKJV)

But I don't recognise these words you say He said: "there is something wrong with all of you that can only be set right by me...... I'm going to ransom the whole world with me."

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Where in the bible do we read Jesus saying that? I recognise the part about the law - we read:

““Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfil” (Mt 5:17 NKJV)

But I don't recognise these words you say He said: "there is something wrong with all of you that can only be set right by me...... I'm going to ransom the whole world with me."

That's a quote from a Gene Scott teaching. All of those numbered items are as well

 

[DavidLamb]

That's a quote from a Gene Scott teaching. All of those numbered items are as well

Thanks. I had never heard of Gene Scott before I read his name on this thread.

 

[Edward429451]

Interesting factoid,

One of the things most Christians don't know about the death and resurrection is this.

When Jesus died and arose, "they" did it without breaking any of the feast days.

Feast days are always happening and overlapping each other.

The exact days Jesus died and spent 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb, and rose without breaking one of the feast days could only have happened on that exact week.

Jesus and the Father couldn't have pulled that week off without breaking a feast day for a 1000 years before that week, and a 1000 years after that week.

The pastor and gifted Bible scholar that researched this, called it, God just showing off.

Another interesting factoid is that most Christians think that Jesus coming for His Bride will be on a feast day and gloss over that it can't be on a feast day. The clue is right there in black and white. I will come when you least expect it...isn't that what it says? Hint hint...

 

[homwardbound]

Another interesting factoid is that most Christians think that Jesus coming for His Bride will be on a feast day and gloss over that it can't be on a feast day. The clue is right there in black and white. I will come when you least expect it...isn't that what it says? Hint hint...

Since no one will really know
Might be best to be ready daily, in season and out of season. Be willing to be led in God's Spirit and Truth, the same as Jesus did, revealing to us all to be dependent of his Father, making Father our Father now as I read in John 20, when he said to Mary, "I go to my Father", now your Father. is it exclusive to Mary alone? I do not think so, yet we each decide
I see a love from God through Son that I need to have in any and all situations, good or bad that happen here. Seeing contentment in all things now, learning to respond in thanksgiving and praise, even if go through troubles anyways, thank you Father and Son as Won
Woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7

 

[Dino246]

Beg to differ:

3 - 12 hour days and 3 - 12 hour nights are THE ONLY SIGN given.

If you do not understand that is - Fact, then a person can chose to follow Rome in a sunday morning easter which is pagan, not fact but a lie.

Do you honestly think that a person MUST believe this in order to be saved?

That means a person who hasn’t processed this information because the Lord is dealing with other issues in their life isn’t saved? A person who is focusing on other scriptural matters first isn’t saved? A person who has researched the matter and has come to an honest but different conclusion isn’t saved?

Consider carefully before responding.

 

[Watchman22]

‘interesting, I never have viewed God as a show off ever ever thought like that at all. God is true love in not ever being better than anyone else. Even though God is
jesus thought it not robbery to be equal with God. How can anyone else not see God by Son makes made us equal with him. What? How can God do that? God loves us truthfully. Otherwise Son would not have ever gone to that cross. Think about that, he stopped Peter from war in the flesh. Peter cut off the ear of Malthus. Jesus stopped him, restored the ear and said take me, I go willingly.
amazing to enter into freedom from flesh fighting
that is the gift

I would just say remember where God put us.

There are only two options.

There are those who are gifted pastors, teachers, and so on. And then there are those who are being perfected by those gifted teachers, that's you and me.

So when I share what the only gifted teacher I've known says, you don't get to come between God and him to make discernment.

Unless you think your a gifted teacher, which I've seen no evidence of. They are very far a few between.

 

[Watchman22]

Another interesting factoid is that most Christians think that Jesus coming for His Bride will be on a feast day and gloss over that it can't be on a feast day. The clue is right there in black and white. I will come when you least expect it...isn't that what it says? Hint hint...

Ya, nobody knows. But if He came to fulfill the law, it seems right that He wouldn't break a feast day.

 

[Watchman22]

Beg to differ:

3 - 12 hour days and 3 - 12 hour nights are THE ONLY SIGN given.

If you do not understand that is - Fact, then a person can chose to follow Rome in a sunday morning easter which is pagan, not fact but a lie.

Ya, I know to much about the subject to even entertain what your putting forward.

 

[GWH]

1) Every sin, past , present, and future was laid on Christ.

2) Christ specified He would be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights.

3) Christ died Wednesday at sundown, and arose Saturday at sundown.

4) There are 3 messages preached by the disciples..... 1) He arose. 2) He ascended. 3) The tomb was empty.

Per the OP title, my understanding of the basic Christian creed is this:

The normative way of stating the basic Gospel creed (kerygma/GRFS) per the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord”
(as in Acts 16:31, 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained
or elaborated as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or Creator God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who loves sinful humanity (Rom. 5:6-8, John 3:16) and who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s grace or justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), at which moment God’s loving Holy Spirit of Christ indwells/baptizes the believer into the church (Rev. 3:20, Rom. 5:5, 1Cor. 12:13).
5. Loving Christ Jesus as Lord (Luke 2:11), God the Son (Matt. 16:16) or God in the human dimension (Col. 2:9) means reflecting divine love as empowered by the Holy Spirit, thereby obeying His command to love one another (Matt. 7:21, 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2), which will eventually achieve spiritual maturity on earth and heaven after Christ returns at God’s resurrection (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Phil. 3:12-16, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).

 

[Watchman22]

Per the OP title, my understanding of the basic Christian creed is this:

The normative way of stating the basic Gospel creed (kerygma/GRFS) per the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord”
(as in Acts 16:31, 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained
or elaborated as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or Creator God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who loves sinful humanity (Rom. 5:6-8, John 3:16) and who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s grace or justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), at which moment God’s loving Holy Spirit of Christ indwells/baptizes the believer into the church (Rev. 3:20, Rom. 5:5, 1Cor. 12:13).
5. Loving Christ Jesus as Lord (Luke 2:11), God the Son (Matt. 16:16) or God in the human dimension (Col. 2:9) means reflecting divine love as empowered by the Holy Spirit, thereby obeying His command to love one another (Matt. 7:21, 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2), which will eventually achieve spiritual maturity on earth and heaven after Christ returns at God’s resurrection (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Phil. 3:12-16, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).

I have a fundamental disagreement with your understanding, or where ever your providing this from.

We don't accept Him, He accepts us.

So in conclusion, the person or persons that provided the information you stated, have a misunderstanding of what Faith and faithing is. So that makes anything beyond that null and void.

I'm still waiting for your response to that subject. If you have to do research to support your understanding of pisteuo or saving faith, that would be a red flag. Your experience should lead any research, and will stand on its own.

 

[homwardbound]

I would just say remember where God put us.

There are only two options.

There are those who are gifted pastors, teachers, and so on. And then there are those who are being perfected by those gifted teachers, that's you and me.

So when I share what the only gifted teacher I've known says, you don't get to come between God and him to make discernment.

Unless you think your a gifted teacher, which I've seen no evidence of. They are very far a few between.

I am no-one special over anyone else. Thanks for your post in your view
God knows us all, and sincerely loves us all, Amazing Grace the Song John Newton wrote after leaving behind slave trading, once he was revealed truth by Father God in the risen Son for him.
John saw, Love above everything else. God's amazing Love in mercy and truth in risen Son, not only for him, yet for all 1 John 2:1-27.
Then as well, Saul before became Paul saw as well and Paul reported the truth of God, in the mystery of God from day one in the fall of Adam the first. Now revealed through risen Son, to us the people, now no longer under Law, seeing now new, upholding Law since no one else can be perfect as God is perfect, that Son came here to earth to reconcile us all first as if never sinned once Col 1:21-22, 2 Cor 5:16-20 and shares this perfection, through Faith given, gives us righteousness with us all, is the above true? thank you. Time to stand in Col 1:21-23 at least me I see and am learning this deeper and wider and higher from God daily in humility
Love, true Love 1 Cor 13:4-7, that Father imputes to all that sincerely believe God in risen Son for them. As, we all learn new daily and grow into maturing Hebrews 5:12- 6 :3 from the very first day anyone decides to believe God. God seals each to see personally Eph 1:13, then one sees Acceptance and forgiveness in Eph 1:6-7
And can do Psalm 100:4, and trust Psalm 103:12 by God is done for them to do new in humility too, thank you, that be love all, even enemies

 

[Blain]

I am no-one special over anyone else. Thanks for your post in your view
God knows us all, and sincerely loves us all, Amazing Grace the Song John Newton wrote after leaving behind slave trading, once he was revealed truth by Father God in the risen Son for him.
John saw, Love above everything else. God's amazing Love in mercy and truth in risen Son, not only for him, yet for all 1 John 2:1-27.
Then as well, Saul before became Paul saw as well and Paul reported the truth of God, in the mystery of God from day one in the fall of Adam the first. Now revealed through risen Son, to us the people, now no longer under Law, seeing now new, upholding Law since no one else can be perfect as God is perfect, that Son came here to earth to reconcile us all first as if never sinned once Col 1:21-22, 2 Cor 5:16-20 and shares this perfection, through Faith given, gives us righteousness with us all, is the above true? thank you. Time to stand in Col 1:21-23 at least me I see and am learning this deeper and wider and higher from God daily in humility
Love, true Love 1 Cor 13:4-7, that Father imputes to all that sincerely believe God in risen Son for them. As, we all learn new daily and grow into maturing Hebrews 5:12- 6 :3 from the very first day anyone decides to believe God. God seals each to see personally Eph 1:13, then one sees Acceptance and forgiveness in Eph 1:6-7
And can do Psalm 100:4, and trust Psalm 103:12 by God is done for them to do new in humility too, thank you, that be love all, even enemies

 

[Watchman22]

I am no-one special over anyone else. Thanks for your post in your view
God knows us all, and sincerely loves us all, Amazing Grace the Song John Newton wrote after leaving behind slave trading, once he was revealed truth by Father God in the risen Son for him.
John saw, Love above everything else. God's amazing Love in mercy and truth in risen Son, not only for him, yet for all 1 John 2:1-27.
Then as well, Saul before became Paul saw as well and Paul reported the truth of God, in the mystery of God from day one in the fall of Adam the first. Now revealed through risen Son, to us the people, now no longer under Law, seeing now new, upholding Law since no one else can be perfect as God is perfect, that Son came here to earth to reconcile us all first as if never sinned once Col 1:21-22, 2 Cor 5:16-20 and shares this perfection, through Faith given, gives us righteousness with us all, is the above true? thank you. Time to stand in Col 1:21-23 at least me I see and am learning this deeper and wider and higher from God daily in humility
Love, true Love 1 Cor 13:4-7, that Father imputes to all that sincerely believe God in risen Son for them. As, we all learn new daily and grow into maturing Hebrews 5:12- 6 :3 from the very first day anyone decides to believe God. God seals each to see personally Eph 1:13, then one sees Acceptance and forgiveness in Eph 1:6-7
And can do Psalm 100:4, and trust Psalm 103:12 by God is done for them to do new in humility too, thank you, that be love all, even enemies

Thats not true!
God doesn't impute anything for "sincerely believing" in what Jesus did.

The Father only imputes the Spirit of His Son to those who are faithing into Him. To those who personally surrender their lives to Him, and live a life inspired by such surrender.

Basi Christianity 101.

 

[Watchman22]

Thats not true!
God doesn't impute anything for "sincerely believing" in what Jesus did.

The Father only imputes the Spirit of His Son to those who are faithing into Him. To those who personally surrender their lives to Him, and live a life inspired by such surrender.

Basi Christianity 101.

If you don't understand this post, it's important to note where you are with God. This is the correct response to the call of the Father. If you haven't fulfilled this correct response, the Father is still waiting for it. And as long as He keeps calling, we can still respond correctly. But one day, it will be one day to late.

 

[Blain]

If you don't understand this post, it's important to note where you are with God. This is the correct response to the call of the Father. If you haven't fulfilled this correct response, the Father is still waiting for it. And as long as He keeps calling, we can still respond correctly. But one day, it will be one day to late.

I believe in total surrender to the father and total yielding to the spirit so I agree with this statement

 

[pinebeach]

Per the OP title, my understanding of the basic Christian creed is this:

The normative way of stating the basic Gospel creed (kerygma/GRFS) per the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord”
(as in Acts 16:31, 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained
or elaborated as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or Creator God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who loves sinful humanity (Rom. 5:6-8, John 3:16) and who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s grace or justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), at which moment God’s loving Holy Spirit of Christ indwells/baptizes the believer into the church (Rev. 3:20, Rom. 5:5, 1Cor. 12:13).
5. Loving Christ Jesus as Lord (Luke 2:11), God the Son (Matt. 16:16) or God in the human dimension (Col. 2:9) means reflecting divine love as empowered by the Holy Spirit, thereby obeying His command to love one another (Matt. 7:21, 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2), which will eventually achieve spiritual maturity on earth and heaven after Christ returns at God’s resurrection (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Phil. 3:12-16, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).

Quoting from your website again? zzzzzzzzzz Get into a living relationship with Him and understand the Spirit gives life and anyone can copy paste. Do you actually think a person sits down with this list or some kind of list and considers it all before saying 'Jesus, I believe' or whatever words they choose to connect them to their Savior. Salvation is not doing a Bible study; but study all you want after you have confirmed that you do indeed now belong to God through Christ His Son.

I am soooo up to here with all the nonsense in the BDF lately; the Judaizer, the baptize in Jesus name only and if not, you have to get re-baptized, the KJV only specialists, the couple of people who just got here and are rude, abusive and think they are working for God as His ajudicator and the Jesus + works ultra team.

Yeah. Just ranting

 

[Dino246]

I am soooo up to here with all the nonsense in the BDF lately; the Judaizer, the baptize in Jesus name only and if not, you have to get re-baptized, the KJV only specialists, the couple of people who just got here and are rude, abusive and think they are working for God as His ajudicator and the Jesus + works ultra team.

Sadly, what you describe constitutes the bulk of BDF “discussion”.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Thats not true!
God doesn't impute anything for "sincerely believing" in what Jesus did.

The Father only imputes the Spirit of His Son to those who are faithing into Him. To those who personally surrender their lives to Him, and live a life inspired by such surrender.

Basi Christianity 101.

Basic Gene Scott Christianity 101