Baptist is not Reformed

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Daisy2 said:
Nearly half of Baptist churches in the U.S. are Southern Baptist conservative, evangelical, and focused on the authority of Scripture, It is the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S.

The liberal Baptists are from the American Baptists church who split from the mainline Baptist over theological and social issues.

Reformed churches, are separate from Baptists and emphasize doctrines rooted in Reformed or Calvinistic theology.

The name on the church matters little; to know if it is good, you'll have to visit and discern whether the preacher has the Holy Spirit.
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The American Baptist you mentioned is not the American Baptist Association,
The ABA churches are not liberal, just the opposite.
There is another group in the South none as Baptist Mission Association.
Very little difference in the two.
Some SBC churches are very liberal. Most in the South are not.
 
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Daisy2 said:
Nearly half of Baptist churches in the U.S. are Southern Baptist conservative, evangelical, and focused on the authority of Scripture, It is the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S.

The liberal Baptists are from the American Baptists church who split from the mainline Baptist over theological and social issues.

Reformed churches, are separate from Baptists and emphasize doctrines rooted in Reformed or Calvinistic theology.

The name on the church matters little; to know if it is good, you'll have to visit and discern whether the preacher has the Holy Spirit.
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I find it amusing that some people call reformed Baptist churches "Calvanistic." Spurgeonistic would be much more accurate.
 
Howdy said:
The American Baptist you mentioned is not the American Baptist Association,
The ABA churches are not liberal, just the opposite.
There is another group in the South none as Baptist Mission Association.
Very little difference in the two.
Some SBC churches are very liberal. Most in the South are not.
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Not that it really matters or anyone asked-----
I have been an active member of ABA churches from California, to Texas, to Arkansas, to Tennessee as my work moved me, from 1962 until two years ago when after 80 years of perfect health, I had a medical issues that changed my life.
I was driving 40 miles each way to attend church. Was no problem. But two years ago my wife and I had to move in with my daughter.
It was impossible to continue the drive so we joined a local BMA church 10 miles from home.
Same doctrine taught. A few things done a little different, but we were welcomed and it has been two very blessed years.
 
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John146 said:
The traditional Baptist doctrine goes against Reformed theology. Did you read the article? Actually, the Reformers persecuted the Baptists and even killed them because of theology differences.
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That doesn't change the fact they there were reformed Baptists then and still are now.
 
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Howdy said:
The American Baptist you mentioned is not the American Baptist Association,
The ABA churches are not liberal, just the opposite.
There is another group in the South none as Baptist Mission Association.
Very little difference in the two.
Some SBC churches are very liberal. Most in the South are not.
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Baptist tradition emphasizes local church autonomy, meaning each congregation can set its own policy in practice.

As a result:

Many American Baptist congregations do allow LGBTQ individuals to attend worship freely. There are regions and individual churches within ABCUSA, such as Washington (Evergreen), New York (Rochester-Genesee), Wisconsin, Metro Chicago, Massachusetts, and Philadelphia. Some American Baptist churches also allow openly gay pastors.
 
John146 said:
Baptists (ana-Baptists) were never part of the reformed movement. Why are many Baptist churches being overtaken by Reformed Pastors?

1. Too many seminaries with Reformed views
2. True Baptist churches not doing their homework on hiring
3. Immature Baptist churches that don't know the difference nor care

I've also noticed when reformed Pastors take over Baptist churches, the "Baptist" is usually taken out of the title.

Any thoughts?
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Certainly here in the UK, most Baptist churches were reformed, in that their statement of faith was, apart from infant baptism, very like the Westminster Confession of Faith, and held to Calvinistic doctrines. Gradually, a lot of Baptist churches moved away from their reformed past. This was one of the reasons for the so-called "Downgrade Controversy" of Surgeon's day. There is now a beginning of a shift back to reformed doctrines among Baptist churches. I have not heard of a man taking up a pastorate of a church with whose doctrines he doesn't agree, in order to turn that church to his beliefs.
 
NightTwister said:
Reformers have several doctrines in common, baptism not being one of them. Your original point is irrelevant and doesn't negate my initial comment.
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Things that are not the same, are different. Reformers love to disguise themselves as good Baptists, knowing this is a false alignment. I have seen this personally.
 
The first church I ever walked in was a Wesleyan church I liked it there. I however settled on a baptist church of the non reformed variety. I became a member there and was baptized there. I always thought the Wesleyan church was the friendliest church I ever walked in. The old timers in thier Sunday best next to the guy who just got out of prison with face tattoos next to the single mom with 2 kids all talking and having fun worshipping the lord. However it just didnt seem like a perfect fit.
 
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DavidLamb said:
I have not heard of a man taking up a pastorate of a church with whose doctrines he doesn't agree, in order to turn that church to his beliefs.
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I have. If a Reformed pastor takes over a Baptist church, he will eventually swing the church's position to a more reformed view. It's only a matter of time. They can't help themselves.
 
John146 said:
I have. If a Reformed pastor takes over a Baptist church, he will eventually swing the church's position to a more reformed view. It's only a matter of time. They can't help themselves.
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That sounds strange that 1) the prospective pastor would even think about pastoring a church where he could not agree to that church's beliefs, and 2) that the church would call such a man to be their pastor. Every church I have been a member of stipulates that all church members (and that would include the pastor/elders) must agree to the church's statement of faith.
 
DavidLamb said:
That sounds strange that 1) the prospective pastor would even think about pastoring a church where he could not agree to that church's beliefs, and 2) that the church would call such a man to be their pastor. Every church I have been a member of stipulates that all church members (and that would include the pastor/elders) must agree to the church's statement of faith.
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Unfortunately, many churches fail to ask the right questions in the vetting process.
 
Daisy2 said:
Baptist tradition emphasizes local church autonomy, meaning each congregation can set its own policy in practice.

As a result:

Many American Baptist congregations do allow LGBTQ individuals to attend worship freely. There are regions and individual churches within ABCUSA, such as Washington (Evergreen), New York (Rochester-Genesee), Wisconsin, Metro Chicago, Massachusetts, and Philadelphia. Some American Baptist churches also allow openly gay pastors.
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But please do not confuse these ABC churches that are in the liberal states with the ABA churches that are primarily in the South and conservative states.
Those in the ABC are not real Baptists.
 
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