Baptism
- Thread starter Mansolo
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Scripture reveals repentance is required of individuals prior to submitting to baptism. It is impossible for an infant to repent.
"Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus for remission of sin..." Acts 2:38
"Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:" Matt. 3:5-8
"Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus for remission of sin..." Acts 2:38
"Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:" Matt. 3:5-8
I find it more likely that the laying on of the Apostles hands provided the individuals with miraculous gifts (as we see at Pentecost). There is no reason to suggest that these people in Acts 19 did not receive the indwelling spirit at baptism, especially when that is the promise given in Acts 2:38. I don’t think its a good idea to nullify a clear didactic message and promise given in Scripture because of a narrative that doesn’t specifically negate that promise
I am not following the connections you are making here. How can you say water baptism and receiving the Holy Spirit do not happen at the same time And then cite Acts 2:38 when that text specifically says the hearers should be baptized “so that“ they might receive forgiveness and the Holy Spirit? It seems to me that the whole point of what he is saying is that their response of baptism carries with it the promise of forgiveness and the Holy Spirit. Not sure how you can read that command and take away that the receiving of the Spirit is an entirely separate event or time. Care to elaborate?
also it seems you are emphasizing the NAME a lot. Are you arguing for modalism/Sabellianism?
also it seems you are emphasizing the NAME a lot. Are you arguing for modalism/Sabellianism?
We dont have any indication that children were baptized. Nothing in the “household” statement indicates that non-believing children were among those baptized. That is an assumption some make, but it is not explicitly stated in the text and no where in scripture is there any teaching on baptizing babies or anyone who does not repent or believe the Gospel
-
1
- Show all
There is influence upon the etymology of "believe" from the West Germanic word *ga-laubon "to hold dear, esteem, trust" (sourced also of Old Saxon gilobo, Middle Dutch gelove, Old High German giloubo, German Glaube), from *galaub- "dear, esteemed" from intensive prefix *ga- + PIE root *leubh- "to care, desire, love"...
I'm convinced that belief is closely, even intimately, related to a baptism (or total immersion) into the Beloved.
I'm convinced that belief is closely, even intimately, related to a baptism (or total immersion) into the Beloved.
-
1
- Show all
It's not a matter of whether they obeyed Him or not. If you're asking why did they baptize in the name of Jesus in contradiction to His command in Matthew 28:19, my answer is I don't know, and I'm okay with that. I have some ideas, but that's all they are--theories. To me it's an open question. But I'm at peace with the trinity, so I have no interest in forcing a Oneness interpretation into the text that isn't there.
There's nothing wrong with discussing the meaning behind the painting but, still, it is only a representation of a reality in a place that cannot be conveyed into any other. For example, many can know what the falls in Niagra look like through a photograph but only those that actually visit them can fully experience their wonder.
