Baptism: is it required to be baptized in water?

[7777pinacled]

This came up in another thread and I didn't want to move that thread off topic so I started another.

Is it required to be baptized in water?

Personally, I do not believe it is required.

Yes, fresh water.
Think of the yarden (Jordan river)
A source of which is replenished constantly, flowing to wash all impurities down stream.

 

[JaumeJ]

Anyone who immerses himself in Christ is certainly baptized...... It is always good to imitate Him in any manner possible, but living as He did should mean much more than simply going through the motions of the ritual.

We are also cleansed by His Blood.........think on this also...... The Blood is life. Christ's Blood is His life.

 

[notuptome]

There is one baptism that saves, and Christ commissioned the disciples to baptize all nations, you're massaging scripture because it doesn't match your man made doctrine.

You can baptize nations, it's God's will:

1 Timothy 2:3-4 KJV
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; [4] Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

So you have men saving men and not Christ saving men.

Sorry Charlie! God saves by grace through faith not water and not by men.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[hornetguy]

Your theology is all wet. The only baptism that saves is the Holy Spirit baptism. If water baptism saves then the men doing the baptism are saving souls and not Jesus. So the one baptism in Eph 4 is Holy Spirit not water.

Mat 28 is not baptizing in water. It is teaching all nations. You cannot baptize a nation. You can teach them about Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Roger.... man, I love you, brother, but you are stretching credulity with your explanation of Matt 28.... If it was only about "teaching" the nations, and making disciples of them, why would Jesus specifically say "teach them, make disciples of them, and baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit" ? You cannot just write that off as some kind of meaningless, spurious comment!

And, a second point... nobody that believes in water baptism is "putting their faith" in the person performing the baptism.... any more than a Jewish man was putting his faith in the rabbi that did the bris. WHO does the baptism is immaterial... what is important is the ceremony itself. The person performing it has NO role in salvation... they are simply a tool.

 

[hornetguy]

Anyone who immerses himself in Christ is certainly baptized...... It is always good to imitate Him in any manner possible, but living as He did should mean much more than simply going through the motions of the ritual.

We are also cleansed by His Blood.........think on this also...... The Blood is life. Christ's Blood is His life.

I think I would re-arrange your thought a little bit.... Anyone who is baptized is certainly immersing himself in Christ, AND being cleansed by the blood of Christ.

 

[notuptome]

Roger.... man, I love you, brother, but you are stretching credulity with your explanation of Matt 28.... If it was only about "teaching" the nations, and making disciples of them, why would Jesus specifically say "teach them, make disciples of them, and baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit" ? You cannot just write that off as some kind of meaningless, spurious comment!

And, a second point... nobody that believes in water baptism is "putting their faith" in the person performing the baptism.... any more than a Jewish man was putting his faith in the rabbi that did the bris. WHO does the baptism is immaterial... what is important is the ceremony itself. The person performing it has NO role in salvation... they are simply a tool.

Mat 28 is a command to teach Christ to the nations. To proclaim His saving grace to all men.

Baptize is not limited to an act of dunking in water. What this verse is teaching is immersion in the doctrine of Christ and the need to be saved. Telling lost souls of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Now I'm going to baptize my tongue in some coffee if I have a cookie I would baptize the cookie first but alas I lack any cookies.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Jabberjaw]

So you have men saving men and not Christ saving men.

Sorry Charlie! God saves by grace through faith not water and not by men.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

What makes you think the actual act of baptism has no spiritual content?

Men perform the ritual as commanded, everything else comes from the Lord, you take faith out attempting to make it works

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wow, look at all those baptisms you attest to, yet our Lord tells us there is only one :

Ephesians 4:5 KJV
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

The one disciples can do and were commanded to do so:

Matthew 28:19 KJV
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Note He didn't say He would be baptizing them but the disciple.

Our Lord would not tell us there is only one baptism then command us to do another

So in other words, you can not refute what I said, so you just do as you always do and go out and not even respond to the baptisms I wrote of.

Hebrews spoke of the doctrines (plural) of Baptisms” Plural so you are refuted in one verse.

Of course there is one baptism that counts. WHihc one is it? The baptism of MAN in WATER or the BAPTISM of GOD?

Let me guess, You will chose water. Thats your choice. As for me. I will chose the baptism of God.

Ps. As for Mathew, Make disciples. Baptise THEM. These people ar4 already saved before they were baptised. Thats why it is NOT part of the ONE baptism. It is part of the MANY doctrines of baptisms)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is one baptism that saves, and Christ commissioned the disciples to baptize all nations, you're massaging scripture because it doesn't match your man made doctrine.

You can baptize nations, it's God's will:

1 Timothy 2:3-4 KJV
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; [4] Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Yep he did. He said BAPTISE them. They are already saved, meaning they have already been baptised BY GOD.

Next.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What makes you think the actual act of baptism has no spiritual content?

Men perform the ritual as commanded, everything else comes from the Lord, you take faith out attempting to make it works

What spiritual point does it have?

Is it God baptizing your ort man?

Is it spiritual water or physical?

Yep. No spiritual aspect.

 

[dcontroversal]

So in other words, you can not refute what I said, so you just do as you always do and go out and not even respond to the baptisms I wrote of.

Hebrews spoke of the doctrines (plural) of Baptisms” Plural so you are refuted in one verse.

Of course there is one baptism that counts. WHihc one is it? The baptism of MAN in WATER or the BAPTISM of GOD?

Let me guess, You will chose water. Thats your choice. As for me. I will chose the baptism of God.

Ps. As for Mathew, Make disciples. Baptise THEM. These people ar4 already saved before they were baptised. Thats why it is NOT part of the ONE baptism. It is part of the MANY doctrines of baptisms)

This thread brings back memories...Sea Perch, Alexander Campbellites, who was the other one......his name alludes me.......

 

[BillG]

Mat 28 is a command to teach Christ to the nations. To proclaim His saving grace to all men.

Baptize is not limited to an act of dunking in water. What this verse is teaching is immersion in the doctrine of Christ and the need to be saved. Telling lost souls of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Now I'm going to baptize my tongue in some coffee if I have a cookie I would baptize the cookie first but alas I lack any cookies.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Ooh you gotta dunk the biscuit.
Make sure you catch it before it falls back in though

 

[BillG]

John 16:7-9
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me;


John 6:28-29


28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

Water baptism in the early church was an outward sign of faith in Jesus.

The spiritual aspect has already happened before the physical aspect.

I do feel however that the physical aspect really does set a marker in a believers life.

To be honest I also feel they anyone who places their faith in Jesus should be baptised straight away.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

John 16:7-9
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me;


John 6:28-29


28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

Water baptism in the early church was an outward sign of faith in Jesus.

The spiritual aspect has already happened before the physical aspect.

I do feel however that the physical aspect really does set a marker in a believers life.

To be honest I also feel they anyone who places their faith in Jesus should be baptised straight away.

could not agree more. If we struggle with the first things God asked us to do. It is going to be hard to do other stuff. Once that act of obedience is made, it is amazing how much our faith grows almost imediately

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This thread brings back memories...Sea Perch, Alexander Campbellites, who was the other one......his name alludes me.......

there has been a few,, I can not think of who right now..

 

[dcontroversal]

there has been a few,, I can not think of who right now..

I dug up the thread....HHAHHA way too many to list..........and their logic falls short of the "gic"

 

[notuptome]

Ooh you gotta dunk the biscuit.
Make sure you catch it before it falls back in though

That sounds really great but I cannot discount chocolate chip cookies. Just about everything should be baptized in coffee prior or during consumption. Sometimes after consumption is good as well.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[BillG]

That sounds really great but I cannot discount chocolate chip cookies. Just about everything should be baptized in coffee prior or during consumption. Sometimes after consumption is good as well.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Coffee, coffee?

You heretic.

You dunk in a cup of tea.
English tea.

 

[dcontroversal]

Coffee, coffee?

You heretic.

You dunk in a cup of tea.
English tea.

EARL GREY for me HAHAH

 

[notuptome]

Coffee, coffee?

You heretic.

You dunk in a cup of tea.
English tea.

Fresh brewed coffee and espresso in heaven at the marriage feast of the Lamb. Perfect to accompany the cake with buttercream icing.

Tea is an abomination. Tea drinkers are always in hot water. They get their lumps and then get creamed.

For the cause of Christ
Roger