Shhh… your logic is messing with his worldview.why would the sun effect the spin of a pendulum and of clouds, which are water, but not water, which is water?
Shhh… your logic is messing with his worldview.why would the sun effect the spin of a pendulum and of clouds, which are water, but not water, which is water?
Shhh… your logic is messing with his worldview.![]()
The gravitational "pull" of the moon would suck the atmosphere out into space.
And -- if you study this "opinion" of modern science carefully enough - utilizing the actual 'physics' that is behind the claim -- I believe that you will discover that the gravitational "pull" of the moon ( or the Earth or anything else ) will be much greater on water vapor than it will be on many Gazillions of gallons of water.
Why does the "pull" of the moon affect the huge amounts of water so massively while having no effect whatsoever on the smaller amounts of water?
Why does the "pull" of the moon [ really ] only [ actually ] affect the oceans?
oh wow, you're right. I was thinking what he said was crafty until you said this. But don't distract him. The spin video is only 5 min. I believe Moses is forthright. I'm looking forward to his honest reasonable response.wait till i point out that in a stationary flat earth model the sun is rotating clockwise, so if it's causing the difference in rotation direction of cyclones, they should rotate clockwise in the north and counterclockwise in the south
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You defend man's reasoning (modern "science") which makes great claims leaving God out of the picture, but when the questions become too difficult to answer, then you invoke God's supernatuarl power. I never assumed anything. I simply put forth the question of how (not leaving physics and the natural processes) the shadow going back 10 degrees wouldn't kill everyone as man's reasoning says would happen if such were the case.if God the Creator of all things can control the motion of the stars and planets as He wishes, what in the world makes you assume that He would accidentally kill everyone in the process?
No. I'm not imagining the earth is still. I'm asking for an explaination for what I'm seeing if the earth is spinning, etc.OK i think i understand how you're visualizing this. you're imagining the earth doesn't move.
And that's the point and the whole problem. Notice the two examples below:the motion of the moon through the sky is not along an axis perpendicular to the earth's rotation. it's parallel to it. it moves along the ecliptic.

why haven't you shown me the math?
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Show the math.
I don't understand why so-called "Christian" physicists, geologists, and mathematicians, etc. always demand everyone else to do / show the math, but are not willing to do it themselves. If that is your specialty, then prove yourself and quit pretending you're so smart by insulting the intelligence of others just to make yourselves feel superior. Putting others down DOESN'T raise you up! IF YOU CANNOT ANSWER THE SIMPLE QUESTIONS, then don't try to make someone else feel stupid because they cannot answer the more complicated ones.please define "gazillions" and kindly show your math.
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be sure and account for that when you show me the math for what you claim to have "studied carefully"
The person who makes the claim is responsible to support it. Gary made several claims without support. It is quite legitimate to dismiss an unsupported claim. Dismissing a claim is not ‘putting down’ the person who made it.I don't understand why so-called "Christian" physicists, geologists, and mathematicians, etc. always demand everyone else to do / show the math, but are not willing to do it themselves. If that is your specialty, then prove yourself and quit pretending you're so smart by insulting the intelligence of others just to make yourselves feel superior. Putting others down DOESN'T raise you up! IF YOU CANNOT ANSWER THE SIMPLE QUESTIONS, then don't try to make someone else feel stupid because they cannot answer the more complicated ones.
You appear to have oversimplified the movement of the moon. If you hang on to the idea that the moon rotates on a particular axis, rotation not on that axis will seem impossible. If, however, the moon actually rotates on a different axis than what you believe, such movement is possible. Consider all motion before deciding on the axis.And that's the point and the whole problem. Notice the two examples below:
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Because the axis is bascially parallel, it rotates as seen with the first image (in the direction of the yellow ellipse). On the other hand, each morning we see it rotated as seen in the second image (in the direction of the red circle). So how does it rotate BOTH directions at the same time AND we ONLY see the 'ONE FACE' that we see always?
It appears to me that you are the one leaving God out of the picture, assuming such an event would kill everyone. Perhaps your god is too small.You defend man's reasoning (modern "science") which makes great claims leaving God out of the picture, but when the questions become too difficult to answer, then you invoke God's supernatuarl power. I never assumed anything. I simply put forth the question of how (not leaving physics and the natural processes) the shadow going back 10 degrees wouldn't kill everyone as man's reasoning says would happen if such were the case.
And that's the point and the whole problem. Notice the two examples below:
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Because the axis is bascially parallel, it rotates as seen with the first image (in the direction of the yellow ellipse). On the other hand, each morning we see it rotated as seen in the second image (in the direction of the red circle). So how does it rotate BOTH directions at the same time AND we ONLY see the 'ONE FACE' that we see always?

And that's the point and the whole problem. Notice the two examples below:
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Because the axis is bascially parallel, it rotates as seen with the first image (in the direction of the yellow ellipse). On the other hand, each morning we see it rotated as seen in the second image (in the direction of the red circle). So how does it rotate BOTH directions at the same time AND we ONLY see the 'ONE FACE' that we see always?

Exactly what 'claim' did I make that I cannot support? I simply pointed out that BE teaching is inconsistent with Bible teaching. If you can explain how they are in agreement, please explain, if you can.The person who makes the claim is responsible to support it. Gary made several claims without support. It is quite legitimate to dismiss an unsupported claim. Dismissing a claim is not ‘putting down’ the person who made it.
Please illustrate this for me.You appear to have oversimplified the movement of the moon. If you hang on to the idea that the moon rotates on a particular axis, rotation not on that axis will seem impossible. If, however, the moon actually rotates on a different axis than what you believe, such movement is possible. Consider all motion before deciding on the axis.
Your illustration is about seeing from two different geographical locations. I'm talking about what I see from the SAME location evening and morning.
You misread my post.Exactly what 'claim' did I make that I cannot support? I simply pointed out that BE teaching is inconsistent with Bible teaching. If you can explain how they are in agreement, please explain, if you can.
My capacity with digital illustration tools is limited.Please illustrate this for me.