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But the question remains,since the flesh Is warring against the Spirit can the flesh cause the Spirit to lose salvation?
But the question remains,since the flesh Is warring against the Spirit can the flesh cause the Spirit to lose salvation?
Exactly. How can we put our Hope and Trust in Christ if Satan is more Powerful? My God, however, is vastly more Power and is able to keep me from the evil one.
No, the flesh is not saved yet, Jesus told Paul His grace is sufficient. God fully knows our hearts and our intentions if they are honorable or not. We are all in the process of sanctification which continues with each believer. We press on. sometimes the flesh wins the day battle but never victory. We are to search our own hearts to see IF we are in the faith, sometimes I question if I am because of my past failures. Yet through repentance, and the word of God I am assured HE has never left me. Oh, how sweet are the Tender mercies of our God and His discipline of those He loves is just.But the question remains,since the flesh Is warring against the Spirit can the flesh cause the Spirit to lose salvation?
The flesh has to die first.
To be born again. I thought everyone knew this. Jesus was put to death on the cross, his body literally was dead. But his spirit was commeded to his father. He was flogged and nailed. But at his resurrection, his body was transformed. The spirit lives INSIDE the flesh body.
He still has scars to show but they are healed.
As the spirit is not the same as the body (you cant actually see the spirit unless you have I dont know. 'second sight') its not able to be hurt as a physical body decays or dies.
To be born again. I thought everyone knew this. Jesus was put to death on the cross, his body literally was dead. But his spirit was commeded to his father. He was flogged and nailed. But at his resurrection, his body was transformed. The spirit lives INSIDE the flesh body.
He still has scars to show but they are healed.
As the spirit is not the same as the body (you cant actually see the spirit unless you have I dont know. 'second sight') its not able to be hurt as a physical body decays or dies.
amen the proper mind in Christ is exactly that of pursuit always understanding we’re not there yet
“Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect:
but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.”
Philippians 3:12-16 KJV
we should live every day as if we are pursuing Christ in the gospel and I think a good measure to begin with in this forum would be
“For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?”
1 Corinthians 3:3 KJV
I think if we look at Ten Commandments we might be able to think we’re perfectly obeying those ten but if we look at our lord and savior and testator and lawgiver Jesus there’s a lifetime of improvements we can make to be more like Jesus
No. The flesh cannot cause the Spirit to lose salvation. Christians who sin are to repent and confess their sins. In addition to that there is divine chastening. And if that does not bring about a change, then there are serious consequences, including premature death ("the sin unto death"). But since salvation is God's gift to the one who believes, it is eternally secure. However, there can be loss of rewards. In any event a true child of God wants to be holy and righteous, not a sinful person. And the Holy Spirit empowers him or her to walk in the Spirit, and not fulfil the lusts of the flesh. Therefore our focus should be on righteousness, not sinfulness.But the question remains,since the flesh Is warring against the Spirit can the flesh cause the Spirit to lose salvation?
After GOD makes the Spirit of a Just man perfect does the man have to be sinless In the body/Mind(I mean If the person has an Impure thought about someone occasionally)In order to have salvation.
Romans 12:1-2
King James Version
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
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Romans 7:20-23
King James Version
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
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Mathew 26:40-41
King James Version
40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed [is] willing, but the flesh [is] weak.
Sinless is impossible for the flesh. But sinning less is now possible through the Spirit. By grace through faith (pistis and pisteuo) are we saved. By faith alone.
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No I wasn't being snarky,sometimes we all resist and become stubborn about seeing different views.
I also was NOT insinuating you don't love the brethren.
We all can give a little in places and not be so ready to be aggressive,no I'm not saying you are.
Merciful me,I'll take back my sad face and you can forget that I was hoping you to be more open.
As a matter of fact,I'll leave your post alone.
Carry on.
Ok you meant that we sin less because our Spirits were made perfect and not that we receive salvation when JESUS comes back because we stopped sinning.
True Children of Christ will sin less because Jesus will have removed the Curse of the Lord from their figurative hearts. Thus, the "old man" is gone and the "new man" has arrived. With the Sin Nature cut out and removed, the "motor" that causes sin is removed. When that motor has stopped running, we are left to contend with ourselves . . . hence, the process of Sanctification.
This would be a good time for True Children to tell us how much their minds have been Transformed by Christ.
Is there anyone, here, who has been Transformed and can testify of this remarkable experience?
This would be a good time for True Children to tell us how much their minds have been Transformed by Christ.
Is there anyone, here, who has been Transformed and can testify of this remarkable experience?
Well close. Not spirits but the Holy Spirit within us guides us.Ok you meant that we sin less because our Spirits were made perfect and not that we receive salvation when JESUS comes back because we stopped sinning.
If the incorruptible seed is not allowed to grow in good soil, it will die away without bearing any fruit.