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2ndTimothyGroup said:
When I was physically "Indwelt" by the Holy Spirit in the Arizona Desert, I was actually encapsulated by Him. I was protected to the degree that if a bomb had exploded, nothing would have happened to me.

I'm sorry if people don't like to hear of my experience, but I cannot lie. I was within the Spirit as an olive is within water within a glass.

Psalm 3:3 NLT - "But you, O LORD, are a shield around me; you are my glory, the one who holds my head high."
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I remember the day His glory rested on me. The day I met my Father...it was the best day of my life! The following is also my personal testimony...give God the glory!
"So I have seen You in the sanctuary and beheld Your power and glory." - Psalm 63:2 He is so awesome!
 
seed_time_harvest said:
IMO the shallow ground believers were not saved that's my opinion.
In my opinion the shallow ground believers Is talking about Almost trully believing but not believing to the point that JESUS requires because once a person truly believes Then GOD comes In and that person will bear fruit
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Ok. We'll just have to agree to disagree there, because it bucks against the analogy too hard for me. For me, the Word obviously grew within them, at least to some extent, and in order for the Word (who is Christ) to grow within them, it means they had to have received the Incorruptible Seed to start with, but simply didn't continue in Him.

But to each his own. Thanks for the polite reply.
 
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Oblio said:
I remember the day His glory rested on me. The day I met my Father...it was the best day of my life! The following is also my personal testimony...give God the glory!
"So I have seen You in the sanctuary and beheld Your power and glory." - Psalm 63:2 He is so awesome!
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This post gave me complete body goosebumps. I cannot believe that I did not have that verse in my collection of "My Story" verses. Of course, the phrasing that you've offered is from the NIV, thus expressing the DEEP need that we study from all translations!

Oblio . . . I am so glad to have met you, for anyone who has been wrapped within and beheld by the Raw, Almighty Power of God . . . we see things in a much different way than do others. Having felt that Power . . . it provided me with the instant perspective that I could never have had otherwise. Can you believe that you were Chosen? To this day, I am still amazed that God Chose me to be His Child. That day when I was given this Almighty, Powerful Grace, that was the day when I realized that I had never actually "chosen" Him. I thought that I did, but I did not! It was also the day when I realized that I was truly not saved in the least, for my life did NOT reflect our Lord Jesus in any way, shape, or form. I was completely deceived.

Again, I am glad to have met you!
 
seed_time_harvest said:
That’s a very controversial thing too because as you say how could Judas not be saved and the HOLY SPIRIT In him casting out dEmons.I WOULD‘ve said that Judas wasn’t saved but I don’t know How he could cast out dEmons and the HOLY SPIRIT be In him.Interesting point.
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That last point needs clarification....he would not be able cast out anything without the HS's help.
 
2ndTimothyGroup said:
This post gave me complete body goosebumps. I cannot believe that I did not have that verse in my collection of "My Story" verses. Of course, the phrasing that you've offered is from the NIV, thus expressing the DEEP need that we study from all translations!

Oblio . . . I am so glad to have met you, for anyone who has been wrapped within and beheld by the Raw, Almighty Power of God . . . we see things in a much different way than do others. Having felt that Power . . . it provided me with the instant perspective that I could never have had otherwise. Can you believe that you were Chosen? To this day, I am still amazed that God Chose me to be His Child. That day when I was given this Almighty, Powerful Grace, that was the day when I realized that I had never actually "chosen" Him. I thought that I did, but I did not! It was also the day when I realized that I was truly not saved in the least, for my life did NOT reflect our Lord Jesus in any way, shape, or form. I was completely deceived.

Again, I am glad to have met you!
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"I don't want to be right...I want to get it right." I read that and thought, "I like this guy!" Lol
It must've been awesome to have had that experience in the desert! I think John Wimber had his first revelation of God in the desert also!
I'm glad to have met you, too! Shalom. btw - it's from the BSB.
 
Oblio said:
"I don't want to be right...I want to get it right." I read that and thought, "I like this guy!" Lol
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My friend, that quote makes sense to me BECAUSE of that experience in the desert. And, I know that you understand exactly what I mean. :D
 
His dominion is an eternal dominion
His kingdom endures from generation to generation
All the peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing
He does as He pleases with the powers of heaven
And the peoples of the earth! - Daniel 4:34-35
 
He rules in glory...He reigns in majesty...He is the supreme King of Creation!
Master of the universe...YHWH-Elohim is His name!
The Lion of Judah!
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
What Is the difference of the HOLY SPIRIT being In a person and the HOLY SPIRIT being upon a person?
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The silence of Peldum tells us that there is no, I repeat NO Biblical explanation for this. I've scoured literally every letter of the Bible for such answers . . . and there is none. And to ensure that I skipped nothing, I have highlighted each piece of punctuation in one of my Bibles, all 1,490 pages with multiple colored highlighters, highlighting each thought, idea, and concept. I missed nothing, and there is no explanation.
 
In '94, the Holy Spirit came upon me. Over the next year, the Lord anointed me for service. I was a worship leader for about 5 years.
One morning during March, 2000, while at a Christian retreat, the Holy Spirit came into me. I started speaking in tongues. I believe I went from the Spirit being on me to the Spirit being in me.
 
Oblio said:
In '94, the Holy Spirit came upon me. Over the next year, the Lord anointed me for service. I was a worship leader for about 5 years.
One morning during March, 2000, while at a Christian retreat, the Holy Spirit came into me. I started speaking in tongues. I believe I went from the Spirit being on me to the Spirit being in me.
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Since '94, has your life been an increase of becoming more and more Holy? Or, are you like a former friend of mine who had a similar experience in '95, and then fell victim to alcoholism, strip-clubism and doing all kinds of insane things?

2 Corinthians 3:14-18 KJV - "But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord."

We can know that our experience is legitimate if we are changed . . . completely Transformed.
 
You may be completely transformed...I'm still a work in progress. Shalom.
 
It amazes me how many people profess to be Christians, yet they don't refer to themselves as Slaves of Christ. It amazes me how many claim to be Christians, yet they have no Romans 12:2 Transformation story.

Psalm 51:10 NIV - "Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me."

If we've Truly been given a Pure Heart, and if the spirit within us has been renewed, we cannot and will not be the same person. God will change us through His Effectual Power.

This is a good time for True Christians to begin telling of their Transformation story. Anyone . . . please share.

Or, will we be like the crickets inside of today's modern church, where virtually no one talks about how much they've changed? I'd love to do it in church, but when I do, I am rejected. That's amazing, isn't it?
 
2ndTimothyGroup said:
It amazes me how many people profess to be Christians, yet they don't refer to themselves as Slaves of Christ. It amazes me how many claim to be Christians, yet they have no Romans 12:2 Transformation story.

Psalm 51:10 NIV - "Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me."

If we've Truly been given a Pure Heart, and if the spirit within us has been renewed, we cannot and will not be the same person. God will change us through His Effectual Power.

This is a good time for True Christians to begin telling of their Transformation story. Anyone . . . please share.

Or, will we be like the crickets inside of today's modern church, where virtually no one talks about how much they've changed? I'd love to do it in church, but when I do, I am rejected. That's amazing, isn't it?
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Why should anyone use the term...slave......what is the point? It has a negative connotation towards Christ.

Why isn't ......servant........ appropriate?......it is used in scriptures often.
 
Me too! I think the main thing is that we are walking towards God and not away from Him.
 
seed_time_harvest said:
IMO,I think he was walking with JESUS and In the group (maybe because of the money) but not abiding,the HOLY SPIRIT went Into them at Pentecost.
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So you believe to able to cast the demon out only need walking with Jesus though only for money and dont need abide in Him?
 
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