Are there two gospels or ONE?

[Rightlydivided]

Go play your games with someone else.

Ok, but I’ll answer it for you....of course you are, without any doubt what so ever.....thank you Jesus, that he died to cover it

 

[iamsoandso]

YES!

We are ALL sinners, deserving the LAWS required payment = judgment & DEATH!

Gospel = Good news. What's the good news? God via his loving merciful grace, has provided sinners a way/path to a full pardon.

God, 1st revealed his plan of redemption/sin forgiveness/reconciliation to Adam & Eve. When he covered them with/in sacrificed animal skins (Gen 3:21). Later on Mt Moriah, God, reveals his plan of redemption/sin forgiveness/reconciliation to Abraham. Abraham names the place: Jehovahjireh

Gen 22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.
(NOTE: Jehovahjireh means = The Lord Will Provide. Ok, PROVIDE what? A SACRIFICE! The promised seed/Christ: = Is the redemptive SACRIFICE/Atonement!)

Next God calls out a people, the Nation of Israel. He gives them the LAW (works required) a sacrifical system (to cover "NOT" remove sin) and promised them a King (Messiah) that would redeem (completly "REMOVE" thier sin) them.

The gospel of the kingdom message was to the Nation of Israel only. Based on, the identity of & belief that, Jesus was the OT promised Messiah (Matt 16:13-16, Jn 11:25-27, Jn 3:18, Acts 2:21 & 38, 3:6 & 16, 4:7, 10, 12, 17, 18, 30, 5.28, 40, 41, 8:12 & 16, 9:14, 15, 21, 27, 10:43 & 48). This gospel's focus was the identity of the promised coming Messiah & the to collective Nation of Israel only. ONLY FAITH/BELIEF IN WHO HE WAS """THE PROMISED MESSISH""" WAS REQUIRED.

Christ's Death, Burial & Rerurrection """WAS NOT""" the gospel of the kingdom message. It's true Jesus had told the 12 about his coming suffering. And they DIDN'T have a clue. (Lk 18:34) If they knew, why were they suprised & in disbelief at his resurrection?

There were NO gentiles on Mt Sinai when Moses gives the law. John the Baptist, baptizes NO gentiles in the wilderness. NO gentiles receive the Holy Spirit on the Temple Mt on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2. There are NO gentiles members in/of the early church in Jerusalem.

Scripture records salvation is FIRST to/for the Jew, then to the gentile. (Rom 1:16, Rom 2:9-10)

Peter is was the FIRST to openly recognize/confess that Jesus was the promised Messiah. Jesus promises Peter the keys to the kingdom (Matt 16:15-19)

Peter gets & uses these keys: 1st opening the door to the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, JEWS ONLY! 2ndly opening salvations door, via the Holy Spirit, to gentiles at Cornelius house. (Acts 10) At least 7 years after Pentecost. Peter goes back to Jerusalem.

Enter Paul: The RISEN Christ's chosen apostle sent to the Gentiles (Acts 26:17)

Paul is given a different message: It requires faith in Christ's death, burial & resurrection. (1 Cor 15:1-4)

Gal 1:11-12 Paul says he received HIS gospel/good news/message via direct revelation, from the RISEN Lord. Vs 15: at the time chosen by God. Vs 16: God reveal's to Paul the gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24. Paul calls his RISEN Christ given message the revelation of the mystery (Eph 3:3) Back to Gal 1 Vs:17 Paul goes to Arabia)

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children
(NOTE: Paul receives his message on Mt Sinai in Arabia. Same place God gave Moses the law. Its here on Mt Sinai where Paul is taken to the 3rd heaven (2 Cor 12:2-4)

Gal 2:1-2 14 yrs later, Paul goes via direct revelation from God to Jerusalem. And explains HIS RISEN Christ given message to the Apostles.

At the Council in Jersulem (Acts 15) after much disputing over gentiles keeping Mosaic law. An agreement is made & the apostles sent letters to all the Churches. You gentiles are """NOT""" under Mosaic Law!

After the destruction of the Temple. Paul’s gospel of grace message (Acts 20:24) completely supplants, the gospel of the kingdom message formally preached by Jesus & the 12.

The Gospel = Good News of salvation is alway's appropriated via FAITH. For Abraham via FAITH in a sacrifice to come. For the Jew under the Kingdom message via FAITH in who Jesus was. And to the New Tesatment Church/Body of Christ via FAITH in his FINISHED redemptive work. Found in Christ's death (sins required wage PAID) & resurrection (God's receipt, sins payment received & accepted).

One Gospel, always accessed via a FAITH choice. Different, way's/time frames/messages, of appropriating FAITH! Abraham by believing the sacrifice would come, Jew under the law by believing who Jesus was. And today to anyone that believes in Christ death & resurrection.

Not that I disagree but just to clarify that Peter is speaking of the Death Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ in Acts 2:22-36(some attribute it first to Paul) is this how you see this?

 

[Mreal402]

The Gospels must be consistent, if God is immutable. Audiences, delivery methods, speakers may change - but the message will remain constant - the "Scarlet thread" from Genesis to Revelation.

 

[John146]

So James wrote it apart from the Holy Spirit ,correct.

Or Shall we say the Holy Spirit was having a bad day?

I'm not understanding what you're talking about? Of course, James wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. That doesn't necessarily make the body of Christ his audience. All Scripture is written for us, but not all of it is written to us. That's why we are given the command to study and rightly divide.

 

[John146]

Men moved on by the Holy Spirit wrote the entire bible,not Just Paul.

It is the word of God. All 66 books.
You see conflict. The bible in conflict.
I see it as Gods word to me. All of it

You dodged my question. If the elders of the church pray for someone who is sick and anoint them oil, will the sick be healed? Will their sins be forgiven?

 

[John146]

Then salvation is not for us today.
Pray for salvation,yes
Always saved,no.

Therefore salvation is not for us today.

The one being prayed for is physically sick. The elders pray for them and they are healed. Is this the case today in the church?

 

[John146]

Then salvation is not for us today.
Pray for salvation,yes
Always saved,no.

Therefore salvation is not for us today.

The audience of James, the twelve tribes...Have they received the word? Are their souls saved?

21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

 

[FlyingDove]

Not that I disagree but just to clarify that Peter is speaking of the Death Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ in Acts 2:22-36(some attribute it first to Paul) is this how you see this?

True that is post resurrection.

It goes without saying the gospel of the kingdom. Preached by Jesus is pre resurrection

Matt 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matt 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

 

[Absolutely]

The audience of James, the twelve tribes...Have they received the word? Are their souls saved?

21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

You have to assume that.

How can they have a church and elders praying the prayer of faith? You saying they are orthodox jews that are antichrist?

 

[Absolutely]

The one being prayed for is physically sick. The elders pray for them and they are healed. Is this the case today in the church?

And under your same logic,the heathen being prayed for is not saved.

So,since all are not saved ,we can assume as you do emphatically that salvation is not for the church.

IOW,your experience and testimony make the bible incorrect.
Cart before the horse.

 

[Absolutely]

The audience of James, the twelve tribes...Have they received the word? Are their souls saved?

21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

James 2; My brothers and sisters, believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ must not show favoritism.

 

[Lanolin]

Oh dear.

All of us posting on here heard the gospel right? Think back, who told you the gospel. What was it they said. How did you come to faith. When was the moment you became saved/born again?

Now think, what will you say to others about Jesus, to bring them to faith.


Everyone of us must have answer to this question and know what the gospel is. When people ask you, how is that you have hope?

 

[Absolutely]

Let's look at James 5.

14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

If the elders of the church today, pray over the sick and anoint them with oil...are they healed? The word in James says, "shall save the sick." No maybes, shall. Are the sins of the sick forgiven through the prayers of the elders?

This is not doctrine for us today. Pray for the sick? Yes. Always healed? Nope. Are sins of others forgiven through the prayers of elders? Nope.

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It appears it is the vow of the afflicted one ,or HIS prayer that gets him forgiveness.

That same word is used by paul in his shaving of his head or keeping a vow.

IOW his own prayer gets him forgiveness.

 

[Absolutely]

Oh dear.

All of us posting on here heard the gospel right? Think back, who told you the gospel. What was it they said. How did you come to faith. When was the moment you became saved/born again?

Now think, what will you say to others about Jesus, to bring them to faith.


Everyone of us must have answer to this question and know what the gospel is. When people ask you, how is that you have hope?

Since I heard no formula or method,or gospel,I just lead them to Jesus and expect him to show up for them like he did me.

I do lead them into the prayer of faith like most everyone does,but I teach them of mans dilemma first. (adams fall)

 

[Absolutely]

The Jailer in acts ; "what must I do to be saved"

Then,the apostles carefully laid out Paul's gospel and before he prayed,he was proficient of the death,burial,and resurrection.....

Of course not.
They said believe on Jesus and you will be saved.
Thats all you need to get saved.
Believe
accept him whether or not you can recite the creed.

 

[Absolutely]

YES!
Paul is given a different message: It requires faith in Christ's death, burial & resurrection. (1 Cor 15:1-4)
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No,he was given a NEW message that was different from his old one.

The apostles and the church all knew the gospel message paul preached.
Because they KNEW that was the fact of the testimony of Jesus.
They saw him live,die,resurrect and then get raptured to heaven.

Paul did not. He got tutored in what the apostles and church already knew.

 

[Lanolin]

The Jailer in acts ; "what must I do to be saved"

Then,the apostles carefully laid out Paul's gospel and before he prayed,he was proficient of the death,burial,and resurrection.....

Of course not.
They said believe on Jesus and you will be saved.
Thats all you need to get saved.
Believe
accept him whether or not you can recite the creed.

But what do you believe ABOUT jesus.

Can you say what you believe, because many people can say they believe Jesus, but what is it about Him that you actually believe.

 

[Lanolin]

The Jailer in acts ; "what must I do to be saved"

Then,the apostles carefully laid out Paul's gospel and before he prayed,he was proficient of the death,burial,and resurrection.....

Of course not.
They said believe on Jesus and you will be saved.
Thats all you need to get saved.
Believe
accept him whether or not you can recite the creed.

They had already laid out the gospel in acts 2:22-37 explaining what happened to Jesus and why he is from God.

Do you not read your bible in order????

 

[Sipsey]

A Christian can't say there's nothing wrong with adultery because Paul says it is wrong.

The one being prayed for is physically sick. The elders pray for them and they are healed. Is this the case today in the church?

Have you never seen miraculous healings through prayer?

 

[Marcelo]

Where would paul get his yardstick?

Is paul God?

Paul received revelations directly from Jesus Christ. Paul's words are actually Jesus' words.

Galatians 1: 11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.