Are there deep pains and hurts that no amount of physical healing will ever cover and can only be healed once in eternity?

[Johnny55]

Revelation 21:4 eads; He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the.
I love this verse so much from Revelations. It is probably one of my personal favorites.
In life, we all go through struggles. From losing a job, tragic death of a loved one, loss of finances, and a much-needed job when you wonder how to make ends meet. There are so many different things I think we all go through in this life.
When I was but a boy in my teens and had struggles or emotional pain friends and family would say; "Toughen up kid! Just get over it and move on!"
Or how about pain caused by someone else and you struggle to forgive that person and you eventually do while the Lord walks with you.
That all sounds wonderful and great per the outcome, yet, I often wonder about those hurts that LINGER? What about the ones that never ever leave you. Oh you are a child of the king! You're supposed to walk in victory and not defeat but, there's this other deeper hurt that simply won't go away.
For example, I had uncles who survived battle in the Vietnam War and they returned home quite differently than when they returned. They hated the 4th of July celebrations and any LOUD sudden noises.
As a family, we used to call these episodes "Flashbacks." as we did not know what to think about this. One day someone in a white pickup truck blew a tire right in front of our house while my uncle was visiting. He was Marine Recon in Vietnam and had a Purple Heart.T hat tire blew and we kids ran to the front window to see who blew the tire and make sure they were OK. My uncle, however, different story. He raced and dove by the sofa screaming "Charly!" and his hands were shaking! Standing by my mother I asked her what was wrong with him? She said; "Oh don't bother him. He's having one of them flashbacks." Then I heard of the nightmares and night terrors each one of them had. Mentally back in Vietnam in the war and it didn't happen on just one or two occasions.
I used to always wonder what the solution was for such a deep pain and trauma hurt? There was a time when he had a knife by his pillow and would wake up from one of those nightmares with a knife out.
I also know a divorced man who is a believer who lost his children and they refuse to ever see him. Oh, he walks with God but that pain, he has confessed still lingers.
My uncle, well, he never really ever found real peace that I know of. After he passed away some said; "Now he knows peace."
I look back on that and wonder, hmm maybe there just are things ONLY God almighty Himself can wipe away and only after we pass on and stand before Him.
My question is, when something in your own life just will not heal or mend, is it possible that it may not until one day when come face to face with the Lord and HE wipes away those tears and squashes every worry and fear?

I mean I know the feelings and have experienced tragedy of my own. I know all too well the reality of hurt, deep hurts that never let go.
I had uncles who were Marine Recon, U.S. Army Special Forces, and one of them was a Navy SEAL. What happened back then never ever left them.
So what do you think? Is it right to say that some things just will not heal or mend or some tears not subside until the Lord, on that very day, wipes them away?

 

[Lynx]

Scars never heal.

I have a scar on my right middle finger that reminds me of an accident with a utility knife every time I look at it. That will never go away for my entire life.

But someday I will have a new body and it won't have a scar on that finger.

But until then, there's no use pretending that scar isn't there. It definitely still is.

 

[keepingthingsreal]

In order for me to honestly answer your question, I would have to break my answer down into two separate categories which would probably best be named "me" and "them."

When it comes to "me," or when it comes to the heartaches, rejections, betrayals, slanders, etc., etc., etc. which have been a continual part of my life, I do believe that there is full healing available on this side of eternity. In fact, I have had God, over a period of time which required much learning and dying to myself, remove personal hurts from me to such a degree that it has literally scared me. In other words, whereas fellowship, acceptance, approval, etc. with/of others was once such an important part of my life, I have gotten to the point where I really do not care what other people think about me (unless they have a valid criticism) or do to me. Instead, I just focus my attention on God and my relationship with him, and his grace has repeatedly proven to be sufficient for me.

When it comes to the "them" part, that is a totally different story. This portion of scripture immediately comes to mind.

Rom 9:1
I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
Rom 9:2
That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
Rom 9:3
For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

The apostle Paul had great heaviness and continual sorrow in his heart in relation to his kinsman according to the flesh because they were not saved. So much so that he wished himself accursed from Christ that they might be saved, and I can definitely relate to how he felt. Pretty much all of my relatives (there is one possible exception), and I have a lot them, are horrifically lost. I say "horrifically" because it truly does horrify me when I think about their current eternal destinies. My family members either hate me, and "hate" might not be strong enough of a word, or never think about me, and the only reason for that is because I am a Christian. In other words, their issues are really with Christ, and not with me, or I am only "guilty by association." This realization is a continual source of grief for me, and I do not believe that there is any cure for that type of grief on this side of eternity. Instead, I believe that those types of tears will need to be wiped away by God one day.

 

[JohnDB]

In John's Gospel chapter 5 Jesus asks a lame man a strange question....at least to us "normals" it appears to be strange.

"Do you want to be well?"

And most of us would say, "DUH, why are you asking such a dumb question? "

But thats for a healing that costs nothing....
But is a healing truly without cost?

If you walk with a cane or crutch for years....you can't do it anymore without that comfortable cane in your hand anymore even if you don't need one. You still need at least a dowel in your hand to get started. And even still your balance is off from relying upon the cane.

And people's expectations of you change. They expect that you have had decades of experience without the cane or crutch....but if you haven't....

And finally....

There are those among us that view the cure or being cured 10X worse than their disease. The humiliation, the guilt, the lack of being unique, or the fear of being relied upon by others when you have never measured up before.
TANSTAFL is a principle taught in business school. It's an acronym for: There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

And being perfectly healed has a cost....

Sometimes to these people the cost of being healthy is more than keeping their disease.

 

[Magenta]

Hebrews 13:14~ This world is not our home; we are looking forward to our everlasting home in heaven. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain

 

[Tall_Timbers]

Just yesterday I took part in a presentation on grieving. We were first asked to share the first time we can remember in our life that we grieve over something. Later we were asked to share the most recent thing we grieved over.

Before the lesson was over I shared that I've surely forgotten 99% of all the experiences I've had in life, but it's interesting to understand that I remember all of the things I grieved over. You can heal, but you won't forget those things.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Revelation 21:4 eads; He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the.
I love this verse so much from Revelations. It is probably one of my personal favorites.
In life, we all go through struggles. From losing a job, tragic death of a loved one, loss of finances, and a much-needed job when you wonder how to make ends meet. There a

Revelation 21:4 eads; He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the.
I love this verse so much from Revelations. It is probably one of my personal favorites.
In life, we all go through struggles. From losing a job, tragic death of a loved one, loss of finances, and a much-needed job when you wonder how to make ends meet. There are so many different things I think we all go through in this life.
When I was but a boy in my teens and had struggles or emotional pain friends and family would say; "Toughen up kid! Just get over it and move on!"
Or how about pain caused by someone else and you struggle to forgive that person and you eventually do while the Lord walks with you.
That all sounds wonderful and great per the outcome, yet, I often wonder about those hurts that LINGER? What about the ones that never ever leave you. Oh you are a child of the king! You're supposed to walk in victory and not defeat but, there's this other deeper hurt that simply won't go away.
For example, I had uncles who survived battle in the Vietnam War and they returned home quite differently than when they returned. They hated the 4th of July celebrations and any LOUD sudden noises.
As a family, we used to call these episodes "Flashbacks." as we did not know what to think about this. One day someone in a white pickup truck blew a tire right in front of our house while my uncle was visiting. He was Marine Recon in Vietnam and had a Purple Heart.T hat tire blew and we kids ran to the front window to see who blew the tire and make sure they were OK. My uncle, however, different story. He raced and dove by the sofa screaming "Charly!" and his hands were shaking! Standing by my mother I asked her what was wrong with him? She said; "Oh don't bother him. He's having one of them flashbacks." Then I heard of the nightmares and night terrors each one of them had. Mentally back in Vietnam in the war and it didn't happen on just one or two occasions.
I used to always wonder what the solution was for such a deep pain and trauma hurt? There was a time when he had a knife by his pillow and would wake up from one of those nightmares with a knife out.
I also know a divorced man who is a believer who lost his children and they refuse to ever see him. Oh, he walks with God but that pain, he has confessed still lingers.
My uncle, well, he never really ever found real peace that I know of. After he passed away some said; "Now he knows peace."
I look back on that and wonder, hmm maybe there just are things ONLY God almighty Himself can wipe away and only after we pass on and stand before Him.
My question is, when something in your own life just will not heal or mend, is it possible that it may not until one day when come face to face with the Lord and HE wipes away those tears and squashes every worry and fear?

I mean I know the feelings and have experienced tragedy of my own. I know all too well the reality of hurt, deep hurts that never let go.
I had uncles who were Marine Recon, U.S. Army Special Forces, and one of them was a Navy SEAL. What happened back then never ever left them.
So what do you think? Is it right to say that some things just will not heal or mend or some tears not subside until the Lord, on that very day, wipes them away?

re so many different things I think we all go through in this life.
When I was but a boy in my teens and had struggles or emotional pain friends and family would say; "Toughen up kid! Just get over it and move on!"
Or how about pain caused by someone else and you struggle to forgive that person and you eventually do while the Lord walks with you.
That all sounds wonderful and great per the outcome, yet, I often wonder about those hurts that LINGER? What about the ones that never ever leave you. Oh you are a child of the king! You're supposed to walk in victory and not defeat but, there's this other deeper hurt that simply won't go away.
For example, I had uncles who survived battle in the Vietnam War and they returned home quite differently than when they returned. They hated the 4th of July celebrations and any LOUD sudden noises.
As a family, we used to call these episodes "Flashbacks." as we did not know what to think about this. One day someone in a white pickup truck blew a tire right in front of our house while my uncle was visiting. He was Marine Recon in Vietnam and had a Purple Heart.T hat tire blew and we kids ran to the front window to see who blew the tire and make sure they were OK. My uncle, however, different story. He raced and dove by the sofa screaming "Charly!" and his hands were shaking! Standing by my mother I asked her what was wrong with him? She said; "Oh don't bother him. He's having one of them flashbacks." Then I heard of the nightmares and night terrors each one of them had. Mentally back in Vietnam in the war and it didn't happen on just one or two occasions.
I used to always wonder what the solution was for such a deep pain and trauma hurt? There was a time when he had a knife by his pillow and would wake up from one of those nightmares with a knife out.
I also know a divorced man who is a believer who lost his children and they refuse to ever see him. Oh, he walks with God but that pain, he has confessed still lingers.
My uncle, well, he never really ever found real peace that I know of. After he passed away some said; "Now he knows peace."
I look back on that and wonder, hmm maybe there just are things ONLY God almighty Himself can wipe away and only after we pass on and stand before Him.
My question is, when something in your own life just will not heal or mend, is it possible that it may not until one day when come face to face with the Lord and HE wipes away those tears and squashes every worry and fear?

I mean I know the feelings and have experienced tragedy of my own. I know all too well the reality of hurt, deep hurts that never let go.
I had uncles who were Marine Recon, U.S. Army Special Forces, and one of them was a Navy SEAL. What happened back then never ever left them.
So what do you think? Is it right to say that some things just will not heal or mend or some tears not subside until the Lord, on that very day, wipes them away?

I've had older friends in church who had severe PTSD . People are not designed to go through chronic stress. Lots of damage happens and for some the brain relives the traumas over and over again. They have vivid nightmares that can be worse than the events they had at the time. The body produces the same corrosive stress hormones, fight and flight chemicals that occured at the actual event.

There is no real difference to the one suffering between that event years earlier and the triggers that mess with your emotions.
Sad thing is that those around don't understand what they can do to help. They need proper training as does the victim of the assaults upon their lives.

There are actual demons who know what to speak through the people close to or affiliated with the ones they attack. If that person is a believer, they will assault over and over again until they destroy their adversary.

I've been blessed to have been given a very real experience with a demon possessed lost person when I was a young believer.
It taught me the gravity and reality of the spiritual realm because it obviously manifested into this physical one. It tried to crush my skull, remove my eyes, stab me and throw me off a wall. It lost because" Greater is He Who is in me than he who is in the world." That is what God the Holy Spirit said to me before that murderous creature(s) was cast out of that person.

God gave me the gift of Discernment of spirits at salvation. When I realized what was going on I posted that art.

The Lord has put me in a position as a soldier of Christ my King and a protector of the weak. It's a thankless job because I find that a few stand with me while others I love run away from the conflicts when they were needed most. That just makes me that much more grateful for those who are true brothers and sisters indeed!

I have a few good friends who have helped tremendously in time of crisis.
I thank the Lord for them in tears to the Lord more than they know.

Others have become distant and unresponsive, uncaring about the battle wounds. Laying here figuratively bleeding out while they walk away. You ask yourself what you've done wrong . After spending so many hundreds of hours trying and working hard to bless them......
Then I have to realize that I'm not always the reason people do what they do. We all make our own choices.

I realized that I was on the front line again as terrorist devil's attacked with unseen forces that would kill a mortal man without the Holy Spirit. The art in the upper corner depicts that fight that's ongoing with things that I would not describe here. The couple local friends don't know and don't ask.
I have nobody to carry the burden but the Lord.

Before I die I want to beat the hell out of the demons and rescue as many refugees as possible from their clutches to the kingdom of my Lord.

 

[JaumeJ]

Revelation 21:4 eads; He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the.
I love this verse so much from Revelations. It is probably one of my personal favorites.
In life, we all go through struggles. From losing a job, tragic death of a loved one, loss of finances, and a much-needed job when you wonder how to make ends meet. There are so many different things I think we all go through in this life.
When I was but a boy in my teens and had struggles or emotional pain friends and family would say; "Toughen up kid! Just get over it and move on!"
Or how about pain caused by someone else and you struggle to forgive that person and you eventually do while the Lord walks with you.
That all sounds wonderful and great per the outcome, yet, I often wonder about those hurts that LINGER? What about the ones that never ever leave you. Oh you are a child of the king! You're supposed to walk in victory and not defeat but, there's this other deeper hurt that simply won't go away.
For example, I had uncles who survived battle in the Vietnam War and they returned home quite differently than when they returned. They hated the 4th of July celebrations and any LOUD sudden noises.
As a family, we used to call these episodes "Flashbacks." as we did not know what to think about this. One day someone in a white pickup truck blew a tire right in front of our house while my uncle was visiting. He was Marine Recon in Vietnam and had a Purple Heart.T hat tire blew and we kids ran to the front window to see who blew the tire and make sure they were OK. My uncle, however, different story. He raced and dove by the sofa screaming "Charly!" and his hands were shaking! Standing by my mother I asked her what was wrong with him? She said; "Oh don't bother him. He's having one of them flashbacks." Then I heard of the nightmares and night terrors each one of them had. Mentally back in Vietnam in the war and it didn't happen on just one or two occasions.
I used to always wonder what the solution was for such a deep pain and trauma hurt? There was a time when he had a knife by his pillow and would wake up from one of those nightmares with a knife out.
I also know a divorced man who is a believer who lost his children and they refuse to ever see him. Oh, he walks with God but that pain, he has confessed still lingers.
My uncle, well, he never really ever found real peace that I know of. After he passed away some said; "Now he knows peace."
I look back on that and wonder, hmm maybe there just are things ONLY God almighty Himself can wipe away and only after we pass on and stand before Him.
My question is, when something in your own life just will not heal or mend, is it possible that it may not until one day when come face to face with the Lord and HE wipes away those tears and squashes every worry and fear?

I mean I know the feelings and have experienced tragedy of my own. I know all too well the reality of hurt, deep hurts that never let go.
I had uncles who were Marine Recon, U.S. Army Special Forces, and one of them was a Navy SEAL. What happened back then never ever left them.
So what do you think? Is it right to say that some things just will not heal or mend or some tears not subside until the Lord, on that very day, wipes them away?

We will not be aware of the former things, and we shall be made holy and perfect, like Jesus, not Jesus, but like Him. Until then we must endure all suffering and pain in Jesus.

I have learned to thank God for any suffering, giving Him all glory. I must, for no one has suffered as our Savior did for each of us. He is good all of the time.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

We will not be aware of the former things, and we shall be made holy and perfect, like Jesus, not Jesus, but like Him. Until then we must endure all suffering and pain in Jesus.

I have learned to thank God for any suffering, giving Him all glory. I must, for no one has suffered as our Savior did for each of us. He is good all of the time.

Brother, you and others here have been helping me with my burdens and I appreciate you.

 

[Johnny55]

Just yesterday I took part in a presentation on grieving. We were first asked to share the first time we can remember in our life that we grieve over something. Later we were asked to share the most recent thing we grieved over.

Before the lesson was over I shared that I've surely forgotten 99% of all the experiences I've had in life, but it's interesting to understand that I remember all of the things I grieved over. You can heal, but you won't forget those things.

It's interesting that you say that we never forget, because, I actually heard this ministry commentary about how it is possible that say, a loved one passes away without Christ and they are forever gone. How does God in eternity make it where you either forget the person entirely or make it in such a way that their memory does not cause you any pain? For example, in my own life, being rejected a LOT and also watching so MANY of my own family members get buried and those military funerals doing the 21 gun salutes and some of them I know did not actually live for God and me trying to sort of heal the memory MYSEKF thinking, Gee I loved them but Imay never ever see them again even in Heaven, Example, I had this one relative I prayed for all my entire life and then man fought in Vietnam. Came back with like SEVERE PTSD. Married like 6 times. Tossed out of so many bars I lost count. He kept a knife under his pillow! At one point he even chose to live in the woods next to a river in a GP medium tent. I mean this guy was "MESSED UP!" Inside of myself I had always hoped secretly that by some miracle SOMEHOW God would miraculously save him. Of course back then during the 1980's in the upper Midwest where we all lived churches were VERY legalistic and there was this whole thing with severe rejections going on. Then in 2019 I get a call and received word he had sadly passed and it felt like all the hope for him just drained right out of me in that moment. "OH NO!!!" I thought. And so for years now I have been reconciling myself to keeping some memories of him and others letting go realizing he made his decision and there was absolutely NOTHING I could have done about it.

 

[Johnny55]

In John's Gospel chapter 5 Jesus asks a lame man a strange question....at least to us "normals" it appears to be strange.

"Do you want to be well?"

And most of us would say, "DUH, why are you asking such a dumb question? "

But thats for a healing that costs nothing....
But is a healing truly without cost?

If you walk with a cane or crutch for years....you can't do it anymore without that comfortable cane in your hand anymore even if you don't need one. You still need at least a dowel in your hand to get started. And even still your balance is off from relying upon the cane.

And people's expectations of you change. They expect that you have had decades of experience without the cane or crutch....but if you haven't....

And finally....

There are those among us that view the cure or being cured 10X worse than their disease. The humiliation, the guilt, the lack of being unique, or the fear of being relied upon by others when you have never measured up before.
TANSTAFL is a principle taught in business school. It's an acronym for: There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

And being perfectly healed has a cost....

Sometimes to these people, the cost of being healthy is more than keeping their disease.

I love this reply because it made me remember an example I heard in a sermon while I lived up in Alaska back during the early 2000s. Here's the scenario.
Jesus is coming and walking down the road. A lame blind man is seated lying on what I pictured as a part of the sidewalk. He is wearing tattered old clothes and looks the part of a very ill man, He had what scriptures call a cloak. OK so in this teacking, the cloak back then represented your sort of station in life. It really became your identity in the community you lived in. People knew you by the cloak you wore ESPECIALLY the important Orthodox figures in the Sand Hedron, Pharisees, Sadusees and so on. They all had and wore VERY distinctive cloaks. Sort of like rankings in culture. - I LOVED this teaching and really soaked it up! I fed from this.-
So, there was all kinds of noise. A commotion. All the blind man knew was that SOMEONE important was headed his way.
He asked, "Who is coming." The answer; is "Jesus".
Without any other consideration or thought, He calls out to the Lord.
Scripture states "They that call upon the Lord shall be saved." Of course, in that one moment, this man did not know this but rather reacted upon instinct in his own spirit. He called out all the more! "Jesus have mercy upon me!"
Ok, so we all have probably heard this story. God comes to him and He heals the man's blindness and his legs. The man gets up and walks away, and here's the part that catches my attention. He leaves behind his old cloak! WHY?
O,k so your "cloak" back then it was your life! It was your job description, it represented your very station in life. What the minister preached was that he had to relinquish his old station or title in life "His cloak" for a new one. When the man gets up and walks away he totally leaves his cloak behind representing the sort of "cost" of healing simply because he did not need it any longer! God had something far better for him.
I licked what you said because it reminded me that sometimes what we think of as our whole identity really is not but merely what we have settled for and God has so much better in store for us, but, like the healed man, it cost him his entire station in life. His cloak represented everything that was his old life.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

It's interesting that you say that we never forget, because, I actually heard this ministry commentary about how it is possible that say, a loved one passes away without Christ and they are forever gone. How does God in eternity make it where you either forget the person entirely or make it in such a way that their memory does not cause you any pain?

I don't know the answer to that, of course, but my personal thoughts on the topic are that the lack of pain might come from understanding things. From a higher knowing that we'll have in the next/future chapter of our lives.

I believe that our time spent in our mortal bodies sees us fashioned into the unique individuals we will be during the Millennium and into eternity. If that proves to be the case then I don't think we'll stop remembering our mortal life experiences, we'll just see them in a different light.

This is all pure speculation on my part.

 

[Karlon]

by course, yes. are all Christians healed on earth? absolutely not, never will happen. God never promised to heal everyone on earth but all Christians be healed at death or Rapture time. for me, that's the #1 thing i don't like, not being healed here on earth. learn this verse, Romans 8:18- "for i reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us"!