For those who think angels had sex with women, do you believe satan had sex with Eve? If not, why not? It's the same thing. If angels were partying down don't you think satan would want to get in on the action?
Are giants the offspring of angels and humans?
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The interesting dilemma I have with this conversation is that no one has an issue when the English text claims DAUGHTERS OF MEN = daughters from human men.
But some how want to think after God specified DAUGHTERS OF MEN that suddenly SONS OF GOD must be from men.
The illogic is baffling.
Seems God is quite clear in what He is saying here.
DAUGHTERS OF MEN = human offspring
SONS OF GOD = angels
After all, the Ancient Hebrew specifically states DIVINE BEINGS meaning angels.
But some how want to think after God specified DAUGHTERS OF MEN that suddenly SONS OF GOD must be from men.
The illogic is baffling.
Seems God is quite clear in what He is saying here.
DAUGHTERS OF MEN = human offspring
SONS OF GOD = angels
After all, the Ancient Hebrew specifically states DIVINE BEINGS meaning angels.
That's all you do. Post the the Ancient Hebrew you mentioned so we can have a look at it
I posted your mistranslated English and you can't see the issue that is blatantly brutal before your own eyes.
If SONS OF GOD are human then it should state DAUGHTERS (of God) not DAUGHTERS OF MEN.
You are unable to see the obvious before your own eyes.
Bereshit 6
וַֽיְהִי֙ כִּֽי־הֵחֵ֣ל הָֽאָדָ֔ם לָרֹ֖ב עַל־פְּנֵ֣י הָֽאֲדָמָ֑ה וּבָנ֖וֹת יֻלְּד֥וּ לָהֶֽם׃
When humankind began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them,
וַיִּרְא֤וּ בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶת־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם כִּ֥י טֹבֹ֖ת הֵ֑נָּה וַיִּקְח֤וּ לָהֶם֙ נָשִׁ֔ים מִכֹּ֖ל אֲשֶׁ֥ר בָּחָֽרוּ׃
the divine beings saw how pleasing the human women were and took wives from among those who delighted them.—
הַנְּפִלִ֞ים הָי֣וּ בָאָ֘רֶץ֮ בַּיָּמִ֣ים הָהֵם֒ וְגַ֣ם אַֽחֲרֵי־כֵ֗ן אֲשֶׁ֨ר יָבֹ֜אוּ בְּנֵ֤י הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם וְיָלְד֖וּ לָהֶ֑ם הֵ֧מָּה הַגִּבֹּרִ֛ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר מֵעוֹלָ֖ם אַנְשֵׁ֥י הַשֵּֽׁם׃ {פ}
It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared on earth—when divine beings cohabited with the human women, who bore them offspring. Such were the heroes of old, the men of renown.
Notice: DIVINE BEINGS not humans
וַֽיְהִי֙ כִּֽי־הֵחֵ֣ל הָֽאָדָ֔ם לָרֹ֖ב עַל־פְּנֵ֣י הָֽאֲדָמָ֑ה וּבָנ֖וֹת יֻלְּד֥וּ לָהֶֽם׃
When humankind began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them,
וַיִּרְא֤וּ בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶת־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם כִּ֥י טֹבֹ֖ת הֵ֑נָּה וַיִּקְח֤וּ לָהֶם֙ נָשִׁ֔ים מִכֹּ֖ל אֲשֶׁ֥ר בָּחָֽרוּ׃
the divine beings saw how pleasing the human women were and took wives from among those who delighted them.—
הַנְּפִלִ֞ים הָי֣וּ בָאָ֘רֶץ֮ בַּיָּמִ֣ים הָהֵם֒ וְגַ֣ם אַֽחֲרֵי־כֵ֗ן אֲשֶׁ֨ר יָבֹ֜אוּ בְּנֵ֤י הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־בְּנ֣וֹת הָֽאָדָ֔ם וְיָלְד֖וּ לָהֶ֑ם הֵ֧מָּה הַגִּבֹּרִ֛ים אֲשֶׁ֥ר מֵעוֹלָ֖ם אַנְשֵׁ֥י הַשֵּֽׁם׃ {פ}
It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared on earth—when divine beings cohabited with the human women, who bore them offspring. Such were the heroes of old, the men of renown.
Notice: DIVINE BEINGS not humans
I'm looking at it right now on my computer. I can read the Hebrew text you posted. It says sons of God.
The text is clearly Divine Beings.
You believe as you want. It's not my job to convince anyone. I just said the English is not translated the same as the Hebrew.
You don't read Hebrew. You're probably getting that interpretation off of some wacko website
That is how the English translated it. But the Hebrew translated it like God told them directly.
So you're saying you're Jewish who can read Hebrew, but can't correctly translate בְנֵי־הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ ?
I do not believe Satan did. However, I do find that the fallen be they angels or be they human's all share sin and on the whole share depravity. Humans have and continue to have homosexuals' relations. They also have and continue to have relations with animals. Incest, you name it. God in fact made laws against such behavior.
The Lord said you are of your father the devil who was a liar and a murder. When it comes to exclusivity of sin be it from celestial or earthly I don't find that either has a line in the ground they will draw and say I won't cross that.
What about possession something I would say we both believe in I assume. How can a spiritual being take over ones body? Are they stopped from doing so because of kinds or species? Have they not possessed both human and beast? To you just a honest question would you find it harder to possess someone as a evil being or have sex with them? Do evil beings force themselves in such manners?
My overall take is that when I look at the nature of being fallen there is shared depravity be they spirit or flesh. So I do find that in such a state that to lie with someone or somethin God does not approve of is something they do. So to me it is not that crazy of a idea to read that fallen angels had sex with humans against God's will. As they have been out of God's will since they rebelled and show no signs of doing what is right and just.
So under the lens of being fallen I don't find anything beyond the pale for fallen man or fallen spirits.